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  • 7 Sep 2011 9:59 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

     I have always been of the opinion that Russel Brand was an attention - seeking talent-less khunt, but having just read the above post, I now realise he is an incredibly talented writer.

    Thank you Donald for posting an excellent piece. I now see the man in a different light.

    If you keep on doing what you have always done you will keep on getting what you have always got
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  • 7 Sep 2011 4:45 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

     http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/24/russell-brand-amy-winehouse-woman

    Russell Brand on Amy Winehouse: 'We have lost a beautiful, talented woman'

    When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they've had enough, that they're ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the other call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it's too late, she's gone.

    Frustratingly it's not a call you can ever make it must be received. It is impossible to intervene.

    I've known Amy Winehouse for years. When I first met her around Camden she was just some twit in a pink satin jacket shuffling round bars with mutual friends, most of whom were in cool indie bands or peripheral Camden figures Withnail-ing their way through life on impotent charisma.

    Carl BarĂ¢t told me that Winehouse (which I usually called her and got a kick out of cos it's kind of funny to call a girl by her surname) was a jazz singer, which struck me as a bizarrely anomalous in that crowd. To me with my limited musical knowledge this information placed Amy beyond an invisible boundary of relevance: "Jazz singer? She must be some kind of eccentric," I thought. I chatted to her anyway though, she was after all, a girl, and she was sweet and peculiar but most of all vulnerable.

    I was myself at that time barely out of rehab and was thirstily seeking less complicated women so I barely reflected on the now glaringly obvious fact that Winehouse and I shared an affliction, the disease of addiction. All addicts, regardless of the substance or their social status share a consistent and obvious symptom; they're not quite present when you talk to them. They communicate to you through a barely discernible but unignorable veil. Whether a homeless smack head troubling you for 50p for a cup of tea or a coked-up, pinstriped exec foaming off about his speedboat, there is a toxic aura that prevents connection. They have about them the air of elsewhere, that they're looking through you to somewhere else they'd rather be. And of course they are. The priority of any addict is to anaesthetise the pain of living to ease the passage of the day with some purchased relief.

    From time to time I'd bump into Amy she had good banter so we could chat a bit and have a laugh, she was a character but that world was riddled with half-cut, doped-up chancers, I was one of them, even in early recovery I was kept afloat only by clinging to the bodies of strangers so Winehouse, but for her gentle quirks didn't especially register.

    Then she became massively famous and I was pleased to see her acknowledged but mostly baffled because I'd not experienced her work. This not being the 1950s, I wondered how a jazz singer had achieved such cultural prominence. I wasn't curious enough to do anything so extreme as listen to her music or go to one of her gigs, I was becoming famous myself at the time and that was an all consuming experience. It was only by chance that I attended a Paul Weller gig at the Roundhouse that I ever saw her live.

    I arrived late and as I made my way to the audience through the plastic smiles and plastic cups I heard the rolling, wondrous resonance of a female vocal. Entering the space I saw Amy on stage with Weller and his band; and then the awe. The awe that envelops when witnessing a genius. From her oddly dainty presence that voice, a voice that seemed not to come from her but from somewhere beyond even Billie and Ella, from the font of all greatness. A voice that was filled with such power and pain that it was at once entirely human yet laced with the divine. My ears, my mouth, my heart and mind all instantly opened. Winehouse. Winehouse? Winehouse! That twerp, all eyeliner and lager dithering up Chalk Farm Road under a back-combed barnet, the lips that I'd only seen clenching a fishwife *** and dribbling curses now a portal for this holy sound.

    So now I knew. She wasn't just some hapless wannabe, yet another ***-up nit who was never gonna make it, nor was she even a ten-a-penny-chanteuse enjoying her fifteen minutes. She was a *** genius.

    Shallow fool that I am, I now regarded her in a different light, the light that blazed down from heaven when she sang. That lit her up now and a new phase in our friendship began. She came on a few of my TV and radio shows, I still saw her about but now attended to her with a little more interest. Publicly though, Amy increasingly became defined by her addiction. Our media though is more interested in tragedy than talent, so the ink began to defect from praising her gift to chronicling her downfall. The destructive personal relationships, the blood-soaked ballet slippers, the aborted shows, that YouTube madness with the baby mice. In the public perception this ephemeral tittle-tattle replaced her timeless talent. This and her manner in our occasional meetings brought home to me the severity of her condition.

    Addiction is a serious disease; it will end with jail, mental institutions or death. I was 27 years old when through the friendship and help of Chip Somers of the treatment centre Focus 12 I found recovery. Through Focus I was introduced to support fellowships for alcoholics and *** addicts that are very easy to find and open to anybody with a desire to stop drinking and without which I would not be alive.

    Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy's incredible talent. Or Kurt's or Jimi's or Janis's. Some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill.

    We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn't even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call.

    Life in a Glass House
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  • 3 Aug 2011 9:27 AM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

     Whisper You know the difference between Jeremy Clarkson and Amy Winehouse?

    Jeremy Clarkson is still on top gear.

    And once again the sky is blue
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  • 3 Aug 2011 3:28 AM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    jabberjaw:
    redbud:
    Whisper  Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse both had a 10 year old crack addiction.
    Good effort!

    its so wrong but i think its the new frontrunner.lol.

    This isn't the real Njords I no longer post on TR This is unauthorized use of my user by a hacker and coward
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  • 2 Aug 2011 6:04 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    redbud:
    Whisper  Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse both had a 10 year old crack addiction.
    Good effort!
    Ohhhhhh Paul Scholessss!! Has produced an absolute thunderbolt
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  • 2 Aug 2011 6:02 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    Whisper  Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse both had a 10 year old crack addiction.
    And once again the sky is blue
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  • 2 Aug 2011 4:22 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    This thread is starting to remind me a bit of the running gag on the original Saturday Night Live.    After the Ferdinand Franco had died, every show on the Weekend Update segment they either led off with or would mention at some points that "Ferdinand Franco is still Dead"

    My posts get reported because I am so much more intelligent than the reporters and they can not deal with it
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  • 2 Aug 2011 3:37 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    RIP Amy....Wilted Flower

    With 38 medals SAF is the only man who was almost as big as the club
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  • 2 Aug 2011 2:59 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    Condolences to her family esspecially her father who was a big influence and support in her life..Wilted Flower deepest sympathies to them.

     

     

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    Albacity:

     Could all those waiting to make a joke about Amy Winehouse please form a line. Its what she would have wanted. 

    this is by far the best one yet.

    EDIT:

    after being cremated her family were given the ashes. then charged with possesion of a class (a) dr,ug.

    feel so ashamed now.Embarrassed

    This isn't the real Njords I no longer post on TR This is unauthorized use of my user by a hacker and coward
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  • 2 Aug 2011 2:40 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    chigwembele:
    Good old Alba just couldn't help himself...Smile
     

    I wasn't going to open the offensive joke door myself, but i'll happily walk through one thats been opened :)

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  • 2 Aug 2011 1:58 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    Albacity:

     Could all those waiting to make a joke about Amy Winehouse please form a line. Its what she would have wanted.

    I feel bad about making that joke. We should always respect the dead, even if the person was ugly, had sailor tatoos, slurred thier speach, lived with a lifelong addiction and relied upon a fix to get through the day. 

    RIP Popeye. 

    Good old Alba just couldn't help himself...Smile
    Im Sublime
    Are you gonna call 911 and spoil all my fun
    Are you a badfish too
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  • 2 Aug 2011 1:56 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

     Could all those waiting to make a joke about Amy Winehouse please form a line. Its what she would have wanted.

    I feel bad about making that joke. We should always respect the dead, even if the person was ugly, had sailor tatoos, slurred thier speach, lived with a lifelong addiction and relied upon a fix to get through the day. 

    RIP Popeye. 

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  • 2 Aug 2011 1:08 PM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    Zingari:

     

    redbud:

    Come on guy's these jokes are getting old...................unlike Amy.

     

     

    Yep only 27rs old....  Tongue Tied

    Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison and Ian Curtis all died aged 27......... Tongue Tied

    Gotta wait until 2021 before Justin Beiber turns 27 ....  just have to be patient i suppose....

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    Good...I have something to look forward to then.
    Im Sublime
    Are you gonna call 911 and spoil all my fun
    Are you a badfish too
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  • 2 Aug 2011 9:44 AM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

     

    redbud:

    Come on guy's these jokes are getting old...................unlike Amy.

     

     

    Yep only 27rs old....  Tongue Tied

    Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison and Ian Curtis all died aged 27......... Tongue Tied

    Gotta wait until 2021 before Justin Beiber turns 27 ....  just have to be patient i suppose....

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    I Used To Be Indecisive But Now? I'm Not So Sure
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  • 2 Aug 2011 6:08 AM

    Re: Amy Winehouse found dead

    Come on guy's these jokes are getting old...................unlike Amy.

     


    And once again the sky is blue
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