Michael Ballard.:

stretford77:

Michael Ballard.:

I know Carrick was suspended for the away game at Basel. My point is that it doesn't make sense to claim Carrick would have slowed Basel down and isolated Shaqiri when they ran riot on him at OT and we conceded three goals. Basically ruud's claims are based on nothing but theory and opinion.

It doesn't make sense to claim Shaqiri ran riot at OT when he didn't even play.

Where did I say Shaqiri played at OT? I said they ran riot on him at OT, meaning Basel. I should have worded it better.

Fair enough, just sounded like you were referring to Shaqiri on a previous post.

stretford77:

Michael Ballard.:

I know Carrick was suspended for the away game at Basel. My point is that it doesn't make sense to claim Carrick would have slowed Basel down and isolated Shaqiri when they ran riot on him at OT and we conceded three goals. Basically ruud's claims are based on nothing but theory and opinion.

It doesn't make sense to claim Shaqiri ran riot at OT when he didn't even play.

Where did I say Shaqiri played at OT? I said they ran riot on him at OT, meaning Basel. I should have worded it better.

mazhar08:

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

he would have prevented Shaqiri from putting pressure on our back four and also initiate attacks from vital interceptions.

Was reading through this again and this bit made me lol. How did that go when Carrick was in the starting 11 when we played Basel at OT?

Well it beats losing the match 2-1 when he was suspended.

Not the point. Your claiming he would have done a job he couldn't do the first time around.

With Jones all over the place and Giggs not really good at defending, Carrick would have been a key man for us against Basel, helping us keep our shape, making us more solid in midfield, and making sure we kept possession rather than losing it unnecessarily. I remember watching that match and wishing for Carrick to play because he would have made the difference as Rooney was off form and Nani was the only one doing things right with Giggs trying to create chances without anyone getting on the end of them.

What happened at Old Trafford was solely down to the defence not giving us a solid base. When they are all over the place after taking a big lead, how can any team attack with such a weak base? Our defenders basically slept in that match and were all over the place. Carrick isn't at fault for what the defenders do wrong.

Whenever Carrick played, we were assured in possession and created quite a few chances. However, we couldn't see off matches in Europe because either the defence was error-prone or the players couldn't finish chances (against Benfica away, our lineup was brand new and 3 of the players didn't even have enough pre-season preparations).

Ultimately speaking, Carrick is a really good player. World class? Probably not, but were Phil Neville and Nicky Butt world class? Probably not, but these kind of players still made significant impacts at our football club. Carrick won't be up there with the likes of Robson, Keane, etc., but he'll be up there with the likes of Butt, Phil Neville, Saha, Berbatov, Tevez, Stam, etc., remembered as a great player who made a big impact at the club but who won't be well-remembered for a long time.

Answer to your question. Yes Phil Neville was a world class player. Will always remember the game he dominated arsenal in 2005. He got stuck in and immensley versatile midfileder and did hell of a job in defence

Nicky butt - you need to research the quote "every team needs a nicky butt" and find out why it was said. Yes Nicky butt was world class and one of the great players of the '99 season.

You using the likes of outstanding united talent to blindly glorify the inept Carrick is not proving any particular point. Carrick will not be remembered as as great player as he is not a great player as he cannot the do the basics of even the basic UNITED midfielder.

Michael Ballard.:

I know Carrick was suspended for the away game at Basel. My point is that it doesn't make sense to claim Carrick would have slowed Basel down and isolated Shaqiri when they ran riot on him at OT and we conceded three goals. Basically ruud's claims are based on nothing but theory and opinion.

It doesn't make sense to claim Shaqiri ran riot at OT when he didn't even play.

I know Carrick was suspended for the away game at Basel. My point is that it doesn't make sense to claim Carrick would have slowed Basel down and isolated Shaqiri when they ran riot on him at OT and we conceded three goals. Basically ruud's claims are based on nothing but theory and opinion.

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

he would have prevented Shaqiri from putting pressure on our back four and also initiate attacks from vital interceptions.

Was reading through this again and this bit made me lol. How did that go when Carrick was in the starting 11 when we played Basel at OT?

Well it beats losing the match 2-1 when he was suspended.

Not the point. Your claiming he would have done a job he couldn't do the first time around.

With Jones all over the place and Giggs not really good at defending, Carrick would have been a key man for us against Basel, helping us keep our shape, making us more solid in midfield, and making sure we kept possession rather than losing it unnecessarily. I remember watching that match and wishing for Carrick to play because he would have made the difference as Rooney was off form and Nani was the only one doing things right with Giggs trying to create chances without anyone getting on the end of them.

What happened at Old Trafford was solely down to the defence not giving us a solid base. When they are all over the place after taking a big lead, how can any team attack with such a weak base? Our defenders basically slept in that match and were all over the place. Carrick isn't at fault for what the defenders do wrong.

Whenever Carrick played, we were assured in possession and created quite a few chances. However, we couldn't see off matches in Europe because either the defence was error-prone or the players couldn't finish chances (against Benfica away, our lineup was brand new and 3 of the players didn't even have enough pre-season preparations).

Ultimately speaking, Carrick is a really good player. World class? Probably not, but were Phil Neville and Nicky Butt world class? Probably not, but these kind of players still made significant impacts at our football club. Carrick won't be up there with the likes of Robson, Keane, etc., but he'll be up there with the likes of Butt, Phil Neville, Saha, Berbatov, Tevez, Stam, etc., remembered as a great player who made a big impact at the club but who won't be well-remembered for a long time.

wazzathered:

Carrick is no Robson, Ince or Keane (his predesesors) but he's still a quality player that we must use until someone better comes along.

"Your someone better comes along " statement answer's your own question wazza. We've been waiting for someone better for almost half a decade now. If Carrick was any good and if he could do the job of a basic midfielder we would need trawl about the transfer market summer after summer. Carrick is dull. He clocks on a Saturday "looks busy" for 90 mins. Then Clocks off and goes home. Thats simply not the united way. Each player in that dressing room strives to make sure they do 110% for team so they can at least home try and get back into the first 11 for the next game But with Carrick: 1. He knows we've no one else. 2. He cant do much that the simple tasks that he does anyway.

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

he would have prevented Shaqiri from putting pressure on our back four and also initiate attacks from vital interceptions.

Was reading through this again and this bit made me lol. How did that go when Carrick was in the starting 11 when we played Basel at OT?

Well it beats losing the match 2-1 when he was suspended.

Not the point. Your claiming he would have done a job he couldn't do the first time around.

im always confident when i see carrick in the starting eleven. its park, cleverly (lack of experience) or anderson (average player) that give me the jitters. Carrick is no Robson, Ince or Keane (his predesesors) but he's still a quality player that we must use until someone better comes along.

It makes him better than our alternatives.*

* After November.

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

Natedogg:

Cleverbeck.:

Natedogg:

Carrick is nowhere near makalele and their totally different players. "one of the best in the world" well why isnt he at the euros?

Who cares what the West Brom manager thinks? The best manager in the world picks him every game of the week.

So that automatically makes carrick one of he best? there was time when the best manager in the world use to pick kleberson everygame was he one of the best?

Nate,bro, How could there be a comparison of Kleberson and Carrick? Kleberson only managed 20 appearances in 2 seasons and was not exactly a first teamer. Meanwhile Carrick has 180 appearances in 6 seasons, he averages 30 games a season.

haha i know but I'm going by the sense as in when he first came he was quite a regular starter. I just don't buy this argument that carrick being a constant starter automatically makes him world class.

Natedogg:

Cleverbeck.:

Natedogg:

Carrick is nowhere near makalele and their totally different players. "one of the best in the world" well why isnt he at the euros?

Who cares what the West Brom manager thinks? The best manager in the world picks him every game of the week.

So that automatically makes carrick one of he best? there was time when the best manager in the world use to pick kleberson everygame was he one of the best?

Nate,bro, How could there be a comparison of Kleberson and Carrick? Kleberson only managed 20 appearances in 2 seasons and was not exactly a first teamer. Meanwhile Carrick has 180 appearances in 6 seasons, he averages 30 games a season.

brown rice:

Ofcourse we all support Manchester United, why else would we type here, but I strongly believe that better midfielders are needed if we want to regain our status as the best football club in the world (and well, we are not as enjoying to watch these past 2 years anyways). Lets face it - life works as it does and blind faith will not get you very far.

I do agree, if we have better midfielders all the more better. If it means that United will be better off without Carrick, i can accept that. But the way i see it at the moment, there is no one in the market who could do better then Carrick and i mean that. Of course id like to be proven wrong, because i really want whats best for United. And the fact is Carrick has been an integral part of the first team throughout his United career and thats not likely to change anytime soon.

Michael Ballard.:

Ruud van the man`s main fan:

he would have prevented Shaqiri from putting pressure on our back four and also initiate attacks from vital interceptions.

Was reading through this again and this bit made me lol. How did that go when Carrick was in the starting 11 when we played Basel at OT?

Well it beats losing the match 2-1 when he was suspended.

el diablo:

Carrick's biggest flaws are that he's not very comfortable in possession

Flawed.