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  • 1 Feb 2012 9:43 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    manutdred:
    The guy is useless now, hes a headless chicken. Also get De Gea off hes not ready and his confidence is to low to be playing in a game this big!
    EPIC FAIL!
    Sir Alex the Conqueror
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  • 1 Feb 2012 9:08 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Where did all the idiots come from?


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  • 1 Feb 2012 8:54 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    OneJD:
    Out of curiosity, how many of you have seen Park play for his national team (prior to his retirement)? I have, and more imoportantly, I can confirm that his style of play for his national team is different from his style of play for United. Now, there are all sorts of explanations for this, so let me venture one: he plays the way he does for United because that's what SAF tells him to do. I would guess, after 7 years or so, if SAF didn't like his movement, he'd be told to shape up or ship out. Yet, we haven't seen much change him Park's style of play so, I think it's reasonable to infer from this that he's being supported in his approach to the game. And I see nothing wrong with that. Have an issue with it? Take it up with SAF. LOL @ the guy who said his positional awareness is poor. SAF said exactly the opposite when listing his attributes.
    I have seen much closer than most people in fact twice when he played for South Korea. I agree that he plays a different game but his positional play on the left wing is poor and has been poor. Now SAF is not going to criticise any of his players in public at all. He has dropped him a few times after poor games but he brings a lot of running I accept.
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  • 1 Feb 2012 7:21 PM
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    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Out of curiosity, how many of you have seen Park play for his national team (prior to his retirement)? I have, and more imoportantly, I can confirm that his style of play for his national team is different from his style of play for United. Now, there are all sorts of explanations for this, so let me venture one: he plays the way he does for United because that's what SAF tells him to do. I would guess, after 7 years or so, if SAF didn't like his movement, he'd be told to shape up or ship out. Yet, we haven't seen much change him Park's style of play so, I think it's reasonable to infer from this that he's being supported in his approach to the game. And I see nothing wrong with that. Have an issue with it? Take it up with SAF. LOL @ the guy who said his positional awareness is poor. SAF said exactly the opposite when listing his attributes.
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  • 1 Feb 2012 5:34 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Park is missing game time this season that's all
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:57 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    el diablo:
    Moyesy:
    el diablo:
    Think some people see him scrambling around and just take that for being positionally aware when in fact it indicates the complete opposite
    Please explain.
    el diablo:
    He is good at making runs in the box, but his defensive positioning is pretty damn poor
    Explain?
    el diablo:
    If he had Carrick's positional sense you wouldn't see him running around half as much because he'd be in the right places at the right times
    What? This makes no sense at all! No explaination needed as its obvious BS!
    Would have thought it's pretty self explanatory. Players who read the game well don't need to tear around like headless chickens because they know where to be. Park is very good at timing runs when United are in possession, and very bad at defensive positioning when United are not in possession. He doesn't close people down intelligently either, if you pay close attention to him when he's trying to win the ball back you'll see he gets duped more than any other United player.
    Have one more look at this el diablo. Does not close down. Huh? http://youtu.be/xBGrnEObu34
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:57 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    el diablo:
    Moyesy:
    el diablo:
    Think some people see him scrambling around and just take that for being positionally aware when in fact it indicates the complete opposite
    Please explain.
    el diablo:
    He is good at making runs in the box, but his defensive positioning is pretty damn poor
    Explain?
    el diablo:
    If he had Carrick's positional sense you wouldn't see him running around half as much because he'd be in the right places at the right times
    What? This makes no sense at all! No explaination needed as its obvious BS!
    Would have thought it's pretty self explanatory. Players who read the game well don't need to tear around like headless chickens because they know where to be. Park is very good at timing runs when United are in possession, and very bad at defensive positioning when United are not in possession. He doesn't close people down intelligently either, if you pay close attention to him when he's trying to win the ball back you'll see he gets duped more than any other United player.
    Have one more look at this el diablo. Does not close down. Huh? http://youtu.be/xBGrnEObu34
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:37 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    man utd red:
    The guy is useless now, hes a headless chicken. Also get De Gea off hes not ready and his confidence is to low to be playing in a game this big!
    I am sure that you don't know what you are talking about park brings energy to the side and he certainly does not keep falling over all the time in fact i suppose you could say that about a lot of players in the prem league especially in the penalty are***
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:20 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    dewolf:
    Moysey, normally I agree with a lot of stuff you write but in this case Diablo is spot on for me. Park is out of position a lot of times especially when he is on the left flank. A lot of times, he comes inside too much and narrows the pitch. That means when Valencia is crossing from the left there is no one on the left far post. This always happens when Park plays there. Then as for his tracking back, yes he does track back but does not do anything about it much. He is just there and buzzing around most of the time without putting in a tackle or stopping someone. Yes it is also true that occasionally he does score goals and put in tackles but to me playing for such a top club, he now does not cut it. Maybe it was after his injury that he lost his pace etc and he may never be a left winger at all.
    Ah, thats it though. His starting position is the left wing, but hes told to drift, find space, and as he does that it normally opens up acres of space for Evra to move into and attack.

    He's not a natural left winger by a long stretch, but on a good day, he can be very effective (in a completely different way to Valencia).

    When you are a rich man you are proud to own a Rolls Royce and when you are a poor man you are proud to own a Renault
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:15 PM
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    • Joined on 16 Jul 2009
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    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    The reason he is running around so much is to cover the lack of mobility in the middle of the park with Carrick and Scholes(brilliant though they are) whilst playing on the left wing as well. At the very least he is making space, allowing us to retain possession.
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:12 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Moysey, normally I agree with a lot of stuff you write but in this case Diablo is spot on for me. Park is out of position a lot of times especially when he is on the left flank. A lot of times, he comes inside too much and narrows the pitch. That means when Valencia is crossing from the left there is no one on the left far post. This always happens when Park plays there. Then as for his tracking back, yes he does track back but does not do anything about it much. He is just there and buzzing around most of the time without putting in a tackle or stopping someone. Yes it is also true that occasionally he does score goals and put in tackles but to me playing for such a top club, he now does not cut it. Maybe it was after his injury that he lost his pace etc and he may never be a left winger at all.
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  • 1 Feb 2012 3:06 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    el diablo:
    Moyesy:
    el diablo:
    Think some people see him scrambling around and just take that for being positionally aware when in fact it indicates the complete opposite
    Please explain.
    el diablo:
    He is good at making runs in the box, but his defensive positioning is pretty damn poor
    Explain?
    el diablo:
    If he had Carrick's positional sense you wouldn't see him running around half as much because he'd be in the right places at the right times
    What? This makes no sense at all! No explaination needed as its obvious BS!
    Would have thought it's pretty self explanatory. Players who read the game well don't need to tear around like headless chickens because they know where to be. Park is very good at timing runs when United are in possession, and very bad at defensive positioning when United are not in possession. He doesn't close people down intelligently either, if you pay close attention to him when he's trying to win the ball back you'll see he gets duped more than any other United player.
    Hard to prove or disprove one way or another without evidence, so it goes down on opinion.

    If you also pay close attention to when he closes players down, he will force more mistakes than any other United player.

    Very rarely will he be caught out of position (for long). He drifts around the pitch when attacking, so obviously cant teleport into positions if the move breaks down and the other team counter. But when the opposition have possesion, he will track his runner, he'll pressure the ball, he's very disiplined.

    Also, if he was playing as a deep lying central midfielder (like Carrick) then yes, to see him tearing round the pitch to get in decent defensive positions would be a concern.

    But for a winger to be in the right place at the right time would mean for them to stay 20 yards in front of their full back all game...

    When you are a rich man you are proud to own a Rolls Royce and when you are a poor man you are proud to own a Renault
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  • 1 Feb 2012 2:41 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Moyesy:
    el diablo:
    Think some people see him scrambling around and just take that for being positionally aware when in fact it indicates the complete opposite
    Please explain.
    el diablo:
    He is good at making runs in the box, but his defensive positioning is pretty damn poor
    Explain?
    el diablo:
    If he had Carrick's positional sense you wouldn't see him running around half as much because he'd be in the right places at the right times
    What? This makes no sense at all! No explaination needed as its obvious BS!
    Would have thought it's pretty self explanatory. Players who read the game well don't need to tear around like headless chickens because they know where to be. Park is very good at timing runs when United are in possession, and very bad at defensive positioning when United are not in possession. He doesn't close people down intelligently either, if you pay close attention to him when he's trying to win the ball back you'll see he gets duped more than any other United player.
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  • 1 Feb 2012 2:26 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    el diablo:
    Think some people see him scrambling around and just take that for being positionally aware when in fact it indicates the complete opposite
    Please explain.
    el diablo:
    He is good at making runs in the box, but his defensive positioning is pretty damn poor
    Explain?
    el diablo:
    If he had Carrick's positional sense you wouldn't see him running around half as much because he'd be in the right places at the right times
    What? This makes no sense at all! No explaination needed as its obvious BS!
    When you are a rich man you are proud to own a Rolls Royce and when you are a poor man you are proud to own a Renault
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  • 1 Feb 2012 2:24 PM

    Re: All Park does these days is fall over!

    Park is brilliant. I don't think he's a natural winger either, wasn't he a AM way back? He's very intelligent like many of you say in popping up in spaces. Very subtle as well. Maybe his technical ability in terms of touch and passing will never be as good as the likes of Scholesy but that's not why we use him anyway. He's a great worker, very intelligent and a big game player. Prolly those intelligent movement in attack and work rate in defence is why we always use him in big games. I diagree with el diablo in that sense, my opinion.
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