mazhar08:

Sir Kones:

The 60s, 70s and 80s were a barren spell for United. Not a single title in the 60s and 70s.

We have actually won the league title in 1965 and 1967, the FA Cup in 1963, and the European Cup in 1968. It was only after Sir Matt Busby left, 1970, when we had our long, bleak years, due to instability and the want for instant success from the board.

Sir Kones:

The 60s, 70s and 80s were a barren spell for United. Not a single title in the 60s and 70s.

We have actually won the league title in 1965 and 1967, the FA Cup in 1963, and the European Cup in 1968. It was only after Sir Matt Busby left, 1970, when we had our long, bleak years, due to instability and the want for instant success from the board.

thefutureisred:

Sir Kones:

DLK:

for some of the so called fans on here - if they can rate a season were we are top of the Table in March after trailing City for so long as one of our worst ever then pity them in the future when things do get black

CHEERS

why isit going to get black? milan, barca, real, porto they have all been top of the respective leagues for hundreds of years....just because it happend to liverpool doesnt mean its going to happen to us

In comparison , United are very similar to all those clubs in regard to time in existence and number of titles won. We've been around a little bit longer than all of them, at 132 years, and have won 19 domestic titles. The biggest difference with United comes in the large percentage of our domestic titles that have been won since 1993. 12 of the 19 have come since 93. The 60s, 70s and 80s were a barren spell for United. Not a single title in the 70s and 80s. So it is fathomable that things could get black again.

All that said, I bet DLK would gladly swap the word "if" for the word "when" in his post.

Sir Kones:

DLK:

for some of the so called fans on here - if they can rate a season were we are top of the Table in March after trailing City for so long as one of our worst ever then pity them in the future when things do get black

CHEERS

DLK:

for some of the so called fans on here - if they can rate a season were we are top of the Table in March after trailing City for so long as one of our worst ever then pity them in the future when things do get black

manoob:

Nibor1:

thefutureisred:

The truth is that the brain can only remember fond memories of the past

Might be a good post, but I stopped reading after this - see above! This is patently not true at all...in fact the memory centers of the brain are far more likely to force a person to remember unpleasant times...so, as I said, couldn't continue reading after that!

2008 team was much better than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2009 to. a younger paul and giggs, ronaldo? tevez??????????? younger ferdinand, van der sar?????????? younger and hungrier evra and vidic??????? gary neville still is better than our left backs now! wes bron was having a great season around than to. come on , we are not even good enough for europe anymore! it seems that you are the one living in the past! 90`s???? roy keane??? paul,giggs even younger and better??? veron? solskjer, york, cole? how about vannistlroy? do we have any strikers like that now???? dude you need a wake up call, oooops we had that when we got beaten to pieces iby athletic in UEFA CUP! Ronney is our only world class player now! vidic is great but getting older and with more injurys, so is ferdinand! the onley other player that comes close with some great play now is valencia who has been the best buy we have done since ronaldo left! phil jones is very takented but only 19 and need few seasons under his belt but we are still talking about potential so is cleverly(who is injury prone who wont get more than 10-20 games a season ! NO this isnt a team as good as teams of paste post ferguson time!

mumanc:

thefutureisred:

you need in my opinion 2 holding midfilders protecting the back four and another further fowward to attack and help keep possesion....

the teams in europe that have done better than us this year dont have that,so why should we.

milan....van bommel...boateng

bayern....schweinsteiger....luiz gustavo

chelsea....ramires...meriles or mikel

barca are the only team that dont really they play with one busquets...and thats becaus ethey have 80 % posseion

thefutureisred:

you need in my opinion 2 holding midfilders protecting the back four and another further fowward to attack and help keep possesion....

mumanc:

thefutureisred:

and realise that at no point in our history were we this perfect united that we people on here always seem to compare the current squad to....

no but we have always played a certain way( free-flowing attacking football) and unfortunatly the last couple of seasons that has not been the case especialy in europe.

mazhar08:

I see what you are trying to say, and I do understand that people are too often just comparing with the past when, in reality, that isn't always possible. Those teams that these people are comparing to in the past were in the peak of their powers, and they only reached once they went through the stages this team is currently going through. If we compare these teams to the other teams that were in the transition phase, I'd say that this is the strongest team I've seen that is in the transition phase. We're top of the league, and the only big issue is that this team did badly in Europe. Then again, the other teams in transition also did bad in Europe, lol.

About your second point, the reason why we didn't win enough in Europe was because, as Sir Alex said about the 1990's teams, their approach was wrong. They were too attack-minded and too cavalier in their play, and with continental football not being like this, Man. Utd. were often undone by resilient, disciplined, tactical defending and counterattacks against few defenders at the back. Sir Alex realized this and changed the approach when going for a 4-2-3-1 from 2001 to 2004, and we did better, only losing out barely to Borussia Dortmund in the semis, and to Real Madrid in the quarters. However, we still didn't get a Champions League, then. Then came the 2006-present period, where we made it to 3 finals in 4 years since the 2007/08 season, and that is a big achievement, no doubt about it. However, we only won one Champions League trophy during that time as Barcelona started to improve into the force they are now.

We should have done better in Europe, but from what I am seeing here, we are always improving in terms our European campaigns whenever we get a team that is at its peak and past the transition phase. In the 1990's, we didn't do so well. In the early 21st century, we were better, but not yet good enough. In the present period (2006 onwards) we made it to 3 finals, something only Barcelona has done in that period. Who knows how much better we will do in the future?

Nice to see someone gets it!

I see what you are trying to say, and I do understand that people are too often just comparing with the past when, in reality, that isn't always possible. Those teams that these people are comparing to in the past were in the peak of their powers, and they only reached once they went through the stages this team is currently going through. If we compare these teams to the other teams that were in the transition phase, I'd say that this is the strongest team I've seen that is in the transition phase. We're top of the league, and the only big issue is that this team did badly in Europe. Then again, the other teams in transition also did bad in Europe, lol.

About your second point, the reason why we didn't win enough in Europe was because, as Sir Alex said about the 1990's teams, their approach was wrong. They were too attack-minded and too cavalier in their play, and with continental football not being like this, Man. Utd. were often undone by resilient, disciplined, tactical defending and counterattacks against few defenders at the back. Sir Alex realized this and changed the approach when going for a 4-2-3-1 from 2001 to 2004, and we did better, only losing out barely to Borussia Dortmund in the semis, and to Real Madrid in the quarters. However, we still didn't get a Champions League, then. Then came the 2006-present period, where we made it to 3 finals in 4 years since the 2007/08 season, and that is a big achievement, no doubt about it. However, we only won one Champions League trophy during that time as Barcelona started to improve into the force they are now.

We should have done better in Europe, but from what I am seeing here, we are always improving in terms our European campaigns whenever we get a team that is at its peak and past the transition phase. In the 1990's, we didn't do so well. In the early 21st century, we were better, but not yet good enough. In the present period (2006 onwards) we made it to 3 finals, something only Barcelona has done in that period. Who knows how much better we will do in the future?

mark.k.:

Nibor1:

thefutureisred:

The truth is that the brain can only remember fond memories of the past

Might be a good post, but I stopped reading after this - see above! This is patently not true at all...in fact the memory centers of the brain are far more likely to force a person to remember unpleasant times...so, as I said, couldn't continue reading after that!

That's exactly why the fans who are most unhappy when United lose a game tend to be supporters since the 70s and 80s. They have an over-riding fear that things may return to where their unpleasant memories are and they are afraid of that. Afraid that another team will come along and dominate like Liverpool did.

I agree with the OP and think he us making a very intelligent and thoughtful point.

thefutureisred:

and realise that at no point in our history were we this perfect united that we people on here always seem to compare the current squad to....