I will place my money on Moyes or O'Neil. I will rather have a loyal person than one who will just come and have players loyal to him. The demise of Chelsea this season is also partly because of the Jose factor. The players were mentally destabilized by the fact thet AVB was branded in the mould of Jose and when his methods were not ticking, the players began to lose faith. Honestly I don not see the fuss about having Jose or Pep. The former is a glory hunter looking to better his resume and given the money he buys like crazy, the latter well, I don't know whether it's cold feet or panacea (you don't quit when you are being faced with your first real challenge in years imo). I dread the day Fergie will call it a day honestly but I will rather have an ex player or competent Englishman for the job. We may not reap dividends instantly but well it did take our great man 26 yrears ( we can be patient).

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Why hire someone who hasnt won trophies? Same question could be asked of Porto when they hired Mourinho.

Same question could be asked of Barca, Guardiola was their second team manager FFS with absolutely no experience at a big club.

This is a tricky question and would depend on allot of variables really. I could see say Ole Gunner coming in and staying for decades but still allot would depend on him being successful, you could say the same for say Giggs or Scholes, both would stay for the long run if they were allowed to do so which again comes down to staying successful. I would of really liked to of seen SAF bring in Ole Gunner when he was looking to move up from reserve coaching even as an assistant.

I'm sure United have already started ''plans''for any successor, it can't be done over night, not at United, it's not very often a great manager comes along, SAF is one in a million, he makes everyone feel a part of the club, everyone, from the bottom up, he sticks by his players, backs them to the hilt, praises them all, cross the line and they are out, there is two way respect going on, and he is a fantastic motivator. I have no idea who else has all these, Sir Matt had these qualities and SAF learnt a lot from him, a lot of Managers came and went between them so until that person emerges I cant see SAF going just yet. David Moyes name is being put about a lot, as has Mourinho and Guadiola. I've even heard people say 'Darren Ferguson''!! as his mentality is the same?? One things for sure though, Old Trafford will never be the same when he does go,my opinion is that when he does finish he shouldn't ''go upstairs'' as it will be the same all over again when Sir Matt finished.

Ye, with how its going nowerdays I wouldn't be surprised. Managers hardly get time to prove themselves before getting sacked. Look at AVB, Hodgson, etc.

mark.k.:

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Why hire someone who hasnt won trophies? Same question could be asked of Porto when they hired Mourinho.

So in your eyes Porto = Manchester United and in Jaspers eyes Arsenal = Manchester United. It's a tough job Market out there. I think for the biggest football management job in the world some proven success should be on the managers record. At least a small handful of trophies like SAF had when he came along

Didnt say Porto was Manchester United, fact is they are probably the biggest club in Portugal and they employed Mourinho despite him having little managerial experience and no trophies. And what did he do? He won trophies.

So why cant United employ Moyes and he be a success here?

Have you read the threads on this forum after a bad result?

Old Trafford expects 75,000 plus fans per game and United has millions of fans worldwide. Ok a small percentage are fans to the death but the club depends on the millions of others to keep it's business going. With a mid table type manager, 10 draws and 10 losses per season is ok. If that were to take place at United you could say goodbye to the league and Champions League for 20 years or more.

Is it too much for Manchester United to ask that anyone wanting the management job has won a Trophy or two?

But ask yourself why Moyes is a midtable manager. What about the transfer budget he has to work with and the competition for places to get into the top four? He has done an amazing job given the budget he is given and the competition he is up against. So many PL clubs outspend Everton, not just in transfer fees but wages too.

His midtable team could just have cost us the title by the way.

Just for the record what did Guardiola win as a manager before he became manager of Barcelona? I'll tell you what he won, NOTHING. So was it too much for Barcelona to ask that anyone wanting the management job had won a trophy or two?

mark.k.:

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Why hire someone who hasnt won trophies? Same question could be asked of Porto when they hired Mourinho.

So in your eyes Porto = Manchester United and in Jaspers eyes Arsenal = Manchester United. It's a tough job Market out there. I think for the biggest football management job in the world some proven success should be on the managers record. At least a small handful of trophies like SAF had when he came along

As Redknapp said a while ago about Steve Kean, you can only work with what you have, Everton doesn't have that winning mentality, they don't have world class or title winning players and it's a fact that all managers start off with nothing, so silverware should never be the sole factor of picking a new manager, it should come down to man management, potential, performance and other factors too.

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Captain Marvel No.7:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Why hire someone who hasnt won trophies? Same question could be asked of Porto when they hired Mourinho.

So in your eyes Porto = Manchester United and in Jaspers eyes Arsenal = Manchester United. It's a tough job Market out there. I think for the biggest football management job in the world some proven success should be on the managers record. At least a small handful of trophies like SAF had when he came along

Didnt say Porto was Manchester United, fact is they are probably the biggest club in Portugal and they employed Mourinho despite him having little managerial experience and no trophies. And what did he do? He won trophies.

So why cant United employ Moyes and he be a success here?

Have you read the threads on this forum after a bad result?

Old Trafford expects 75,000 plus fans per game and United has millions of fans worldwide. Ok a small percentage are fans to the death but the club depends on the millions of others to keep it's business going. With a mid table type manager, 10 draws and 10 losses per season is ok. If that were to take place at United you could say goodbye to the league and Champions League for 20 years or more.

Is it too much for Manchester United to ask that anyone wanting the management job has won a Trophy or two?

reyemsayers:

I want Mourinho in for a few years, keep things steady and win a few trophies

Have a few fights, poke a few eyes.

it is right time to finish

when the master Sir Alex retires. I want Mourinho in for a few years, keep things steady and win a few trophies Then Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in, stay for 20 years.

mark.k.:

Punisher113:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Are you expecting Everton to win the Premierleague or FA Cup or something? Obviously if he managed United he'd have a significantly higher chance of winning trophies.

Wouldn't you at least expect some trophy? Think of SAF winning things with Aberdeen? I mean there was a sign there that he could do things.

Moyes and Everton can rise to the challenge for one game per season vs Man United (most years). But what about the other 37 games? Can you see yourself being content with United coming in at 8th, 9th every year and not winning trophies?

I'd sooner take Martin O Neill who left Villa when he realised that *** Lerner only had mid-table ambitions. See where Villa are now? 

Mourinho had no managerial experience when he became Porto manager, and he ended up winning the Champions League. Guardiola managed Barcelona B, not exactly the most prominent job, then became Barcelona manager and won the Champions League twice. Argueably Guardiola is still untested as most of his team was inherited, but he still won it.

Moyes has spent hardly anything over the years he has been there; yet he has managed to get them into the Champions League qualification position, keep the majority of his best players for quite a number of years (Those who left were swayed by money, which he can do nothing about at Everton) and this year it looks like he is going to finish above Liverpool and get into the Europa League. All this without spending much money is succesful when your league has had teams like Tottenham, Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and now Manchester City. How do you think he is going to win any trophies with teams like this in the league and cups? You would need a hell of alot of luck.

Moyes hasn't had money, and sounds like your ruling him out because of that.

mark.k.:

Punisher113:

mark.k.:

Aejr:

If he's replaced by someone like Mourino then I'd agree. But if someone like Moyes was to come in then I could see him having a lengthy future with the club.

But what silverware has Moyes won? Why hire someone who hasn't won trophies?

Are you expecting Everton to win the Premierleague or FA Cup or something? Obviously if he managed United he'd have a significantly higher chance of winning trophies.

Wouldn't you at least expect some trophy? Think of SAF winning things with Aberdeen? I mean there was a sign there that he could do things.

Moyes and Everton can rise to the challenge for one game per season vs Man United (most years). But what about the other 37 games? Can you see yourself being content with United coming in at 8th, 9th every year and not winning trophies?

I'd sooner take Martin O Neill who left Villa when he realised that *** Lerner only had mid-table ambitions. See where Villa are now? 

your missing the point everton have consistanly been in top 8 eight for while under moyes and its obvious he achieved that witout financial backing and not to mention the timee he has had to replace top players cause they cant keep them and still he perfoms consistantly look at liverpool compared to everton all the money they spend everton are superior to liverpool if he had backing i am sure he would win trophys dont they always perfom in the fa cup reaching the semis again this year, to say they only raise there game against us is ridiculous in my opinion. Other than a united legend moyes is my choice everytime

forevergiggs:

Perhaps we should look north of the border , any one know if there's any good managers up there? Don't know what it is about the Scottish but all the legends seem to come from there. SAF, Sir Matt Busby, Bill Shankly to name but a few, must be all that whiskey that they drink.

david moyes answers this he has also show great loyalty to everton and is due a big name club in my opinion and once he gets that and proves his self on the biggest stage of all why would he want to leave? and guess what he is scotish too gotta tick all the boxes for the topic of discussion on this post :)

mark.k.:

in Jaspers eyes Arsenal = Manchester United

not at all!,we are talking about longevity of managers,the fact that he won nothing before them makes no difference,do you think had SAF won nothing before us that would have a bearing on what we"ve become?.