Valencia can be a great attacking right back like Cafu and Maicon. Many wingers convert to full back . Glad he playing there first game of season, he will get forward and cross to Rooney or Welbeck for the winner :D

Brittain 10:

Walters_14_MuFc:

BUMP! Just though i'd bump this thread that I made a couple months back, as Valencia is starting at right back against Everton tonight.

It's certainly an idea I'd support. Kagawa and Rooney can interchange on the left and centre respectively too.

Definately. I can see this being a very good game for us.

Walters_14_MuFc:

BUMP! Just though i'd bump this thread that I made a couple months back, as Valencia is starting at right back against Everton tonight.

It's certainly an idea I'd support. Kagawa and Rooney can interchange on the left and centre respectively too.

BUMP! Just though i'd bump this thread that I made a couple months back, as Valencia is starting at right back against Everton tonight.

Make your football formation with this11.com Nani,Kagawa, Rooney and even Welbeck/RVP could move around and switch, drag players out of position to make space for each other, and with them front 4 you could have quick interchanging passing to break down opposition, and if needed you have Valencia and Evra to offer width and whip in the crosses. Wasn't able to fit Rafael into the team but another option could be to drop Nani and play Valencia in that position, and put Rafael Right back. Valencia plays central mid for Ecudor so sometimes he'll have to end up on the left, so I'm sure he'd be able to interchange too, similar to Nani but he might need some more time.

Valencia showed himself to have poor postioning as a right back. He would need to improve on that, but he does have the attributes to be a great attacking right back in the mould of cafu. I like the idea but I believe he needs a fair bit of work to get to the standard we would need. If that happens though we might as well sell rafael as we would be effectively saying we have no faith in him. Nani is better on the right, but I still think I would prefer valencia on the right and nani on the left, as opposed to nani on the right and young on the left.

manu wr10:

Sir Kones:

Your bias against Valencia is further demonstrated in the fact that you list Di Maria as someone who is better than him, statistically. Di Maria's number were VERY marginally better than Valencia's this past season, and he did not hit double digit goal tally, so that seems to further indicate that you just prefer Di Maria's style of play. So just because you don't like Valencia's style doesn't mean he isn't good.

Yeh kones thats what it is all about. Some people prefer the wingers who can cut in and have great ball control and dribbling and some prefer the ones who stay out wide and run to the flag and cross. But i would tend to think that the previous is more effective and creates better chances at goal. But then again that is just personal opinion

Word up. What's it's really all about for me though is that Valencia is actually working to incorporate both of those into his game - started cutting inside fairly often in the second half of the season and was rather effective in penetrating into dangerous spaces when doing it. He'll probably never possess the flair or close control to put him in the same bracket, stylistically, as Robben, Nani, Ribery, et al, but I believe he will continue to become more and more effective as an attacking weapon and will increase his goal and assist tallies.

Sir Kones:

Your bias against Valencia is further demonstrated in the fact that you list Di Maria as someone who is better than him, statistically. Di Maria's number were VERY marginally better than Valencia's this past season, and he did not hit double digit goal tally, so that seems to further indicate that you just prefer Di Maria's style of play. So just because you don't like Valencia's style doesn't mean he isn't good.

Yeh kones thats what it is all about. Some people prefer the wingers who can cut in and have great ball control and dribbling and some prefer the ones who stay out wide and run to the flag and cross. But i would tend to think that the previous is more effective and creates better chances at goal. But then again that is just personal opinion

Rezyuz:

Sir Kones:

Rezyuz:

no beating your defender is an art, and its a must for a winger at the top. And he does not posses this. Waste of an attacking spot.

You need to watch every United match before you start making conclusions like that....and if you do watch every United match, then I have absolutely no explanation as to how you would reach such an inaccurate conclusion. He beats his defender quite regularly and more often than a lot of other people in the team.

I watch every single game, and i watch every other ame i can from madrid, barca, bayern, dortmund, ajax, simply because im a fan of football beside being a united fan. You only. Look with huge red tinted glasses. Would valencia make i t to any other big team? No, why? Because hes nothing compared to the likes of top wingers. Ribery, robben, messi, ronaldo, di maria, sanchez, hazard, nani etc they all beat there defender, score double the numbers of valencia. And dont go much lower or even more on assist. Valencia cannot participate in modern football as he simply lacks skill. Hes a good runner and crosser but this isnt 1990 its 2012. Weve seen how brilliant physique players are compared to technique for years now huh england? And still, still your so ignorant to remain believing that strength, pace, crossing is what its about. The entire world is laughing at that ideal yet you see it still as the holy grail. No wonder why every other league is catching up to the epl and starting to dominate in the champions league. They evolve, england remains.

First off, you need to chill your b@11s, for real. You don't need to go on a tirade and start being rude to everyone to express your view, in fact, it makes people take you less seriously.

That said, I believe you are mistaken AND that you missed my point. The reason I doubted that you watch every match, is because I would expect someone who watched every match to know that his game has started to evolve. He is adding dimensions to his game, doing more than making it to the byline and crossing.

You claim I'm being biased but from your quoted reply, and the replies you have given to others, you clearly seem biased AGAINST Valencia. He may not have the flair that you seem to equate with beating defenders, but rest assured he does beat his defenders. Just because you prefer flair to strength and pace, doesn't mean he doesn't beat his defender. You can't change the definition of what it means to beat a defender, despite your effort to. If you are being marked, and you make it to the byline before your marker, and get the cross off, you have beaten your defender. End of story.

Your bias against Valencia is further demonstrated in the fact that you list Di Maria as someone who is better than him, statistically. Di Maria's number were VERY marginally better than Valencia's this past season, and he did not hit double digit goal tally, so that seems to further indicate that you just prefer Di Maria's style of play. So just because you don't like Valencia's style doesn't mean he isn't good.

I like Valencia and Nani, but its one or tother. AV has no left foot and Nani is a RW who CAN play LW but hes better on the right. And AV should only be RB in case or emergency, Rafa's having a stormer for Brazil and Jones and Smalling will improver. So Rafael all the way...

jasper99:

you can come up with all the variations you want,SAF,it seems got great faith in rafa,so have i tbh.

I didn't say SAF didn't have faith in Rafael, I just made a suggestion that Valencia would make a very good right back. Also, I wouldn't say SAF has 100% faith in Rafael yet as sometimes he has opted to go for Jones or Smalling instead.

Rezyuz:

Unitedadmirer:

Rezyuz:

madhouse:

Except Ribery, dimaria and Robben none of the other players you mention are wingers. May be you need to watch some more football as your footballing knowledge is not evolving and it remains. Valencia would be a dream for any team looking for a direct winger who can provide accurate crosses. Dribbling is not the only sign of a good player. Valencia beats players with his pace and strength.

Please don't ever compare a selfish player like Robben, who just runs and shoots wide, with a awesome team player like Valencia.

Your a deluded fool you know that? Valencia beats players with pace and strength? He doesnt beat anyone he runs to the flag, thats not beating the defender as you do not move inwards at the goal creating a situation where a center back has to help defend creating space for the striker or upmoving cam. Its you who had no football knowledge clearly. Ronaldo, messi, sanchez , hazard all of them are wingers, they simply have a more free role. But ronaldo, hazard and sanchez normally always play as a winger with the exception of hazard's last 2 months. "valencia would be a dream for any team for a direct winger" thats the point. Who the *** outside some english clubs who are still left in this 2000 mentality would want someone who isnt versatile and cant score while playing in offense? And also the mentioned wingers above all have terrific pace and crossing. Haha they even have better assist stats. And your right i sholdnt compare valencia to robben, that would be pure disrespect to robben, with his "shoot wide and just run" playstyle. Atleast thats one more thing than valencia, he shoots.

Comparing Valencia to Robben is like comparing Guardiola (who said Valencia is the best RW) to you. Don´t you agree?

And where is this interview you speak off? Cuz im sure guardiola was laughing his ass off seein fergue make the same mistake twice in the cl final by not playing his best players for average non creative attackers.

And where is this interview you speak off? Please read: http://www.manutd.com/One-United/Login.aspx?returnPath=http%3A//www.manutd.com/en/news-and-features/features/2012/mar/~/link.aspx%3F_id%3D6a13e7f3c8d9463681fba8061b4cd301%26_z%3Dz Video: Valencia v Kanchelskis Fully recovered from an ankle injury, Antonio Valencia has been at the peak of his powers over the last couple of months, terrorising defenders with his raw pace and power. Barcelona manager Pep Guardiola this week called Valencia "the best winger in the world right now", while Sir Alex believes the Ecuadorian is better than Andrei Kanchelskis, the Reds’ flyer of the 1990s to whom Valencia has often been likened. "Antonio has been fantastic," Sir Alex told Inside United. "He’s such a tough guy and a powerful lad, and his work-rate and understanding of the game is terrific. "He’s a better player than Kanchelskis. He’s got better footballing ability. Andrei was more of a runner who looked to run in behind defenders, whereas Antonio can involve himself in the possession and thread through passes and beat men." It’s an interesting comparison and gave us an excuse to put together a video of the two wingers in action. We hope you enjoy it.

Rezyuz:

Your a deluded fool you know that? Valencia beats players with pace and strength? He doesnt beat anyone he runs to the flag, thats not beating the defender as you do not move inwards at the goal creating a situation where a center back has to help defend creating space for the striker or upmoving cam. Its you who had no football knowledge clearly. Ronaldo, messi, sanchez , hazard all of them are wingers, they simply have a more free role. But ronaldo, hazard and sanchez normally always play as a winger with the exception of hazard's last 2 months. "valencia would be a dream for any team for a direct winger" thats the point. Who the *** outside some english clubs who are still left in this 2000 mentality would want someone who isnt versatile and cant score while playing in offense? And also the mentioned wingers above all have terrific pace and crossing. Haha they even have better assist stats. And your right i sholdnt compare valencia to robben, that would be pure disrespect to robben, with his "shoot wide and just run" playstyle. Atleast thats one more thing than valencia, he shoots.

If there was a category for the biggest bell-end in the Olympics you would have been the undisputed champion, a sure shot gold medal winner. If you think one of our best player is average than I doubt that you watch any United games and know zilch about football.

I don't know why did I initially even bother to reply to an idiot like yourself.

you can come up with all the variations you want,SAF,it seems got great faith in rafa,so have i tbh.

NONONNONONONONONNONONONONO Rafael is good there Valencia is a winger! Who can be a utility and used as a RB