dlakadejan:

at least Platini is agreeing with me

Platini: Technology would be a mistake

"If you want technology for the goal — what do we do if it's offside before?

"It means that the action has to be stopped before. That's why I am against technology. Where do we go?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/euro2012/4396320/Michel-Platini-Goal-line-technology-would-be-a-mistake.html

Then it's ruled out, that's a pretty short sighted comment.

at least Platini is agreeing with me

Platini: Technology would be a mistake

"If you want technology for the goal — what do we do if it's offside before?

"It means that the action has to be stopped before. That's why I am against technology. Where do we go?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/euro2012/4396320/Michel-Platini-Goal-line-technology-would-be-a-mistake.html

tommythecat:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Those parameters would come under heavy discussion no doubt. I think trial it in the pre season games and possibly the league cup. Trial and error mate, like I said it has improved every other sport that it's used in.

A line would need to be drawn with absolutely no deviation from it. I just wouldnt have a clue as to where to start drawing the line.

It would no doubt increase the number of correct decisions being made, but it would certiainly need to be a flawless system.

No such thing unfortunately, it would evolve and improve.

The goal line technology part is simple if all you want to know is if a ball crossed the goal line or not.

If you are talking about video replay it is going to be a lot more complicated and should probably as you have already said be tried during pre-season and exhibition games. If it is acceptable it should also be implemented in stages over several years to give players and clubs time to adapt like they have in other sports.

To be honest though even tchnology isn´t perfect. It is only as good as the guy who invents it or the guy who is using it.

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Those parameters would come under heavy discussion no doubt. I think trial it in the pre season games and possibly the league cup. Trial and error mate, like I said it has improved every other sport that it's used in.

A line would need to be drawn with absolutely no deviation from it. I just wouldnt have a clue as to where to start drawing the line.

It would no doubt increase the number of correct decisions being made, but it would certiainly need to be a flawless system.

No such thing unfortunately, it would evolve and improve.

tommythecat:

Those parameters would come under heavy discussion no doubt. I think trial it in the pre season games and possibly the league cup. Trial and error mate, like I said it has improved every other sport that it's used in.

A line would need to be drawn with absolutely no deviation from it. I just wouldnt have a clue as to where to start drawing the line.

It would no doubt increase the number of correct decisions being made, but it would certiainly need to be a flawless system.

Moyesy:

Terry getting his shirt pulled in the box last night at a corner.

If video replays were introduced, would we have got a penalty?

An italian player (De Rossi? Cant remember) got studs to his shoulder, and then stayed down holding his face. Is that simulation, should he have been booked? Would he have been given video replays?

Had Balotelli of scored one of his chances when he broke the offside trap, he goes off celebrating. Would the England players and management have the right to ask for a video replay to confirm on/off side? Theres a 20 second delay to his celebrations while they deliberate a close decision.

What if the ref refuses, as he is positive a correct decision was made? Yet everyone at home can see that he is offside? It didnt happen this game, but i guarentee it would! Where would it leave video evidence then? Its has being introduced yet still not getting all decisions correct.

There was 1 instance when a ball seemed to deflect of Johnson and an italian at the same time. A corner was given. One replay was shown and i still wasnt sure who it came off last, but how about Italy scored from the corner? Would England have reason to argue that it wasnt a corner?

Those parameters would come under heavy discussion no doubt. I think trial it in the pre season games and possibly the league cup. Trial and error mate, like I said it has improved every other sport that it's used in.

Terry getting his shirt pulled in the box last night at a corner.

If video replays were introduced, would we have got a penalty?

An italian player (De Rossi? Cant remember) got studs to his shoulder, and then stayed down holding his face. Is that simulation, should he have been booked? Would he have been given video replays?

Had Balotelli of scored one of his chances when he broke the offside trap, he goes off celebrating. Would the England players and management have the right to ask for a video replay to confirm on/off side? Theres a 20 second delay to his celebrations while they deliberate a close decision.

What if the ref refuses, as he is positive a correct decision was made? Yet everyone at home can see that he is offside? It didnt happen this game, but i guarentee it would! Where would it leave video evidence then? Its has being introduced yet still not getting all decisions correct.

There was 1 instance when a ball seemed to deflect of Johnson and an italian at the same time. A corner was given. One replay was shown and i still wasnt sure who it came off last, but how about Italy scored from the corner? Would England have reason to argue that it wasnt a corner?

for me its required and should have been implemented long ago

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

POURIAM:

Why ruin the beautiful game??? technology has only made things more complicated...

How has it made things more complicated?

I think it should be brought in for GLT, and thats all. Whether a ball has crossed the line or not is matter of fact. Yes/No. Simple decision made within seconds.

This would use technology similar to "Hawk Eye", rather than ay kind of video evidence. So many grey areas in football that its often the case that constant replays still cannot determine a unanimous decision.

Like mentioned in an earlier post though Moyesy, yes the ball was over the line and GLT would have proven that and allowed the goal but, rewind 15 seconds prior to the ball being over the line, the player was offside, so the goal would have been allowed but he was offside... Hardly fair is it? It's not all black and white.

Its not, but that was a ref/assistant error and they have to make those calls 100 times a match. Offside, out of play, whos throw? If that "offiside" hadnt lead to a chance on goal, nothing would have been made of it.

How often you you see goals scored from free-kicks that shouldnt have been, or corners given instead of goal kicks.

What about if a player gets called offside and is one-on-one with the goal keeper, even though he was onside? Should they let that passage of play continue to see if he scores, and if he does refer it to video replay to decide if he is onside or not?

The referee would have total discretion as to whether or not to refer to the video ref, you can't have just goal line tech and ignore a blatant off side it's been tried and failed in both rugby codes

I just could see how that would work re offsides, etc. So many little decisions are made in football that can have a big impact. Fouls? Dives? Yellow cards? Corner/goal kick? Would the ref have discression when to look at video evidence?

He could choose to look at one offside decision at one end of the pitch and find it offside, there would be big pressure on him to look at offsides at the other end of the pitch too. What if he is convinced he's made the right call, and doesnt refer it, yet everyone at home can see that he has got it wrong?

Having video evidence that deep into the game, its got the potential to turn it into a farce.

In my view, you should either have technology there for all decisions or no decisions, like I said, you can't have it for just GLT and then refer to the video if they aren't sure if it's over or not and then the goal is allowed but rewind and it's offside... It isn't fair to weigh technology in the favour of one side but not the other, one team would have prospered from technology yet one side would have felt let down, you can't say "the refs should be making the decisions about offsides" but in that case, they should be making decisions about the ball being over the line, you can't take one job away from an official and keep him in charge of others, the way football has grown, it is important for big calls to be made right but it's not as simple as adding a camera to the goal line to solve all problems.

I just cant see how it could possibly work for all decisions. Especially when, even after constant replays many people often cannot decide if a penalty should/should not have been given (for eg). You would get players claiming for the ref to look at the video to make a decision. What happens if the ref refuses, but we at home see that the ref did get it wrong?

The potential issues it could bring up, i just cant get my head round how it could work. Maybe i would need to see it in action before trying to understand it.

The thing about GLT though is that its fact. Did it cross the line? Yes or No. There is no interpretation of the laws to consider (offsides), its not opinion (free-kicks), there isnt a "who it came off last" debate.

Thats the only technology that i can imagine coming into the game that wouldnt have serious effects on the game that we have at the minute.

I don't see how you could have a fair scheme of integrating technology somewhere without a certain party not feeling hard done by, my main argument against GLT is shown in the incident here.. Sometimes, GLT is clear cut, was it a goal, yes or no... But, I feel it would have been harsh on England if technology got Ukraine that goal but human error let it even get to the shot... It wouldn't be fair that something that used to be human error gets taken away from a human and given to the technical box... I can't see how that's fair, I believe that if there is going to be an inquest in to did it or did it not cross, the whole phase should be investigated, it would only take an extra 5/10 seconds, if he was offside in the build up then the goal shouldn't be investigated, you either leave it all up to humans or all up to computers and with football, it's such a fast paced game with very few stoppages that getting any technology in would be difficult, it slows a lot of things down, fact.

I'm just not keen on making changes, we've had football for hundreds of years and until 3/4 years ago we didn't need technology, we still don't, all the decisions for me even themselves out and it's the drama of the game and the talking points after a match that make you love the game, just a matter of inches can give you sheer joy or heart ache and that's all it is, fine margins and if we take away the possibility of any errors ever, we lose in my eyes, most of the talking point of football... If we can impliment something that will be fair and just to all parties involved then great, but until that time, I don't think it would be wise, imagine the uproar had that goal been given because of GLT and England get dumped out the tournament because Ukraine score again and the first goal shouldn't have been given, imagine how hard done by they would have felt, it just wouldn't be fair.

I'm sure that argument was probably made when substitutes came into the game too.

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

POURIAM:

Why ruin the beautiful game??? technology has only made things more complicated...

How has it made things more complicated?

I think it should be brought in for GLT, and thats all. Whether a ball has crossed the line or not is matter of fact. Yes/No. Simple decision made within seconds.

This would use technology similar to "Hawk Eye", rather than ay kind of video evidence. So many grey areas in football that its often the case that constant replays still cannot determine a unanimous decision.

Like mentioned in an earlier post though Moyesy, yes the ball was over the line and GLT would have proven that and allowed the goal but, rewind 15 seconds prior to the ball being over the line, the player was offside, so the goal would have been allowed but he was offside... Hardly fair is it? It's not all black and white.

Its not, but that was a ref/assistant error and they have to make those calls 100 times a match. Offside, out of play, whos throw? If that "offiside" hadnt lead to a chance on goal, nothing would have been made of it.

How often you you see goals scored from free-kicks that shouldnt have been, or corners given instead of goal kicks.

What about if a player gets called offside and is one-on-one with the goal keeper, even though he was onside? Should they let that passage of play continue to see if he scores, and if he does refer it to video replay to decide if he is onside or not?

The referee would have total discretion as to whether or not to refer to the video ref, you can't have just goal line tech and ignore a blatant off side it's been tried and failed in both rugby codes

I just could see how that would work re offsides, etc. So many little decisions are made in football that can have a big impact. Fouls? Dives? Yellow cards? Corner/goal kick? Would the ref have discression when to look at video evidence?

He could choose to look at one offside decision at one end of the pitch and find it offside, there would be big pressure on him to look at offsides at the other end of the pitch too. What if he is convinced he's made the right call, and doesnt refer it, yet everyone at home can see that he has got it wrong?

Having video evidence that deep into the game, its got the potential to turn it into a farce.

In my view, you should either have technology there for all decisions or no decisions, like I said, you can't have it for just GLT and then refer to the video if they aren't sure if it's over or not and then the goal is allowed but rewind and it's offside... It isn't fair to weigh technology in the favour of one side but not the other, one team would have prospered from technology yet one side would have felt let down, you can't say "the refs should be making the decisions about offsides" but in that case, they should be making decisions about the ball being over the line, you can't take one job away from an official and keep him in charge of others, the way football has grown, it is important for big calls to be made right but it's not as simple as adding a camera to the goal line to solve all problems.

I just cant see how it could possibly work for all decisions. Especially when, even after constant replays many people often cannot decide if a penalty should/should not have been given (for eg). You would get players claiming for the ref to look at the video to make a decision. What happens if the ref refuses, but we at home see that the ref did get it wrong?

The potential issues it could bring up, i just cant get my head round how it could work. Maybe i would need to see it in action before trying to understand it.

The thing about GLT though is that its fact. Did it cross the line? Yes or No. There is no interpretation of the laws to consider (offsides), its not opinion (free-kicks), there isnt a "who it came off last" debate.

Thats the only technology that i can imagine coming into the game that wouldnt have serious effects on the game that we have at the minute.

I don't see how you could have a fair scheme of integrating technology somewhere without a certain party not feeling hard done by, my main argument against GLT is shown in the incident here.. Sometimes, GLT is clear cut, was it a goal, yes or no... But, I feel it would have been harsh on England if technology got Ukraine that goal but human error let it even get to the shot... It wouldn't be fair that something that used to be human error gets taken away from a human and given to the technical box... I can't see how that's fair, I believe that if there is going to be an inquest in to did it or did it not cross, the whole phase should be investigated, it would only take an extra 5/10 seconds, if he was offside in the build up then the goal shouldn't be investigated, you either leave it all up to humans or all up to computers and with football, it's such a fast paced game with very few stoppages that getting any technology in would be difficult, it slows a lot of things down, fact.

I'm just not keen on making changes, we've had football for hundreds of years and until 3/4 years ago we didn't need technology, we still don't, all the decisions for me even themselves out and it's the drama of the game and the talking points after a match that make you love the game, just a matter of inches can give you sheer joy or heart ache and that's all it is, fine margins and if we take away the possibility of any errors ever, we lose in my eyes, most of the talking point of football... If we can impliment something that will be fair and just to all parties involved then great, but until that time, I don't think it would be wise, imagine the uproar had that goal been given because of GLT and England get dumped out the tournament because Ukraine score again and the first goal shouldn't have been given, imagine how hard done by they would have felt, it just wouldn't be fair.

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

POURIAM:

Why ruin the beautiful game??? technology has only made things more complicated...

How has it made things more complicated?

I think it should be brought in for GLT, and thats all. Whether a ball has crossed the line or not is matter of fact. Yes/No. Simple decision made within seconds.

This would use technology similar to "Hawk Eye", rather than ay kind of video evidence. So many grey areas in football that its often the case that constant replays still cannot determine a unanimous decision.

Like mentioned in an earlier post though Moyesy, yes the ball was over the line and GLT would have proven that and allowed the goal but, rewind 15 seconds prior to the ball being over the line, the player was offside, so the goal would have been allowed but he was offside... Hardly fair is it? It's not all black and white.

Its not, but that was a ref/assistant error and they have to make those calls 100 times a match. Offside, out of play, whos throw? If that "offiside" hadnt lead to a chance on goal, nothing would have been made of it.

How often you you see goals scored from free-kicks that shouldnt have been, or corners given instead of goal kicks.

What about if a player gets called offside and is one-on-one with the goal keeper, even though he was onside? Should they let that passage of play continue to see if he scores, and if he does refer it to video replay to decide if he is onside or not?

The referee would have total discretion as to whether or not to refer to the video ref, you can't have just goal line tech and ignore a blatant off side it's been tried and failed in both rugby codes

I just could see how that would work re offsides, etc. So many little decisions are made in football that can have a big impact. Fouls? Dives? Yellow cards? Corner/goal kick? Would the ref have discression when to look at video evidence?

He could choose to look at one offside decision at one end of the pitch and find it offside, there would be big pressure on him to look at offsides at the other end of the pitch too. What if he is convinced he's made the right call, and doesnt refer it, yet everyone at home can see that he has got it wrong?

Having video evidence that deep into the game, its got the potential to turn it into a farce.

In my view, you should either have technology there for all decisions or no decisions, like I said, you can't have it for just GLT and then refer to the video if they aren't sure if it's over or not and then the goal is allowed but rewind and it's offside... It isn't fair to weigh technology in the favour of one side but not the other, one team would have prospered from technology yet one side would have felt let down, you can't say "the refs should be making the decisions about offsides" but in that case, they should be making decisions about the ball being over the line, you can't take one job away from an official and keep him in charge of others, the way football has grown, it is important for big calls to be made right but it's not as simple as adding a camera to the goal line to solve all problems.

I just cant see how it could possibly work for all decisions. Especially when, even after constant replays many people often cannot decide if a penalty should/should not have been given (for eg). You would get players claiming for the ref to look at the video to make a decision. What happens if the ref refuses, but we at home see that the ref did get it wrong?

The potential issues it could bring up, i just cant get my head round how it could work. Maybe i would need to see it in action before trying to understand it.

The thing about GLT though is that its fact. Did it cross the line? Yes or No. There is no interpretation of the laws to consider (offsides), its not opinion (free-kicks), there isnt a "who it came off last" debate.

Thats the only technology that i can imagine coming into the game that wouldnt have serious effects on the game that we have at the minute.

I know what you're saying mate a lot of us thought the same things about cricket and league. The fact is its been 16 or so years of trial and error. At the end of the day Iv never met anyone, heard any commentators, ex players ( and surprisingly elderly ex players) who think we should go back because the right decisions are made.

I personally don`t want it implemented...Football is a game full of passion,tension and debate so I think adding GLT would erase that which I don`t want.I like a bit of banter with the mates for a wrong decision or even for a possible goal as it is part of the aftermath of a game and it leaves a mark on the game and makes people remember the specific game. Certain users may slate me for saying this however this is my opinion of this case...I would not mind it though if it is implemented

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

Moyesy:

shlongconnery:

Moyesy:

tommythecat:

POURIAM:

Why ruin the beautiful game??? technology has only made things more complicated...

How has it made things more complicated?

I think it should be brought in for GLT, and thats all. Whether a ball has crossed the line or not is matter of fact. Yes/No. Simple decision made within seconds.

This would use technology similar to "Hawk Eye", rather than ay kind of video evidence. So many grey areas in football that its often the case that constant replays still cannot determine a unanimous decision.

Like mentioned in an earlier post though Moyesy, yes the ball was over the line and GLT would have proven that and allowed the goal but, rewind 15 seconds prior to the ball being over the line, the player was offside, so the goal would have been allowed but he was offside... Hardly fair is it? It's not all black and white.

Its not, but that was a ref/assistant error and they have to make those calls 100 times a match. Offside, out of play, whos throw? If that "offiside" hadnt lead to a chance on goal, nothing would have been made of it.

How often you you see goals scored from free-kicks that shouldnt have been, or corners given instead of goal kicks.

What about if a player gets called offside and is one-on-one with the goal keeper, even though he was onside? Should they let that passage of play continue to see if he scores, and if he does refer it to video replay to decide if he is onside or not?

The referee would have total discretion as to whether or not to refer to the video ref, you can't have just goal line tech and ignore a blatant off side it's been tried and failed in both rugby codes

I just could see how that would work re offsides, etc. So many little decisions are made in football that can have a big impact. Fouls? Dives? Yellow cards? Corner/goal kick? Would the ref have discression when to look at video evidence?

He could choose to look at one offside decision at one end of the pitch and find it offside, there would be big pressure on him to look at offsides at the other end of the pitch too. What if he is convinced he's made the right call, and doesnt refer it, yet everyone at home can see that he has got it wrong?

Having video evidence that deep into the game, its got the potential to turn it into a farce.

In my view, you should either have technology there for all decisions or no decisions, like I said, you can't have it for just GLT and then refer to the video if they aren't sure if it's over or not and then the goal is allowed but rewind and it's offside... It isn't fair to weigh technology in the favour of one side but not the other, one team would have prospered from technology yet one side would have felt let down, you can't say "the refs should be making the decisions about offsides" but in that case, they should be making decisions about the ball being over the line, you can't take one job away from an official and keep him in charge of others, the way football has grown, it is important for big calls to be made right but it's not as simple as adding a camera to the goal line to solve all problems.

I just cant see how it could possibly work for all decisions. Especially when, even after constant replays many people often cannot decide if a penalty should/should not have been given (for eg). You would get players claiming for the ref to look at the video to make a decision. What happens if the ref refuses, but we at home see that the ref did get it wrong?

The potential issues it could bring up, i just cant get my head round how it could work. Maybe i would need to see it in action before trying to understand it.

The thing about GLT though is that its fact. Did it cross the line? Yes or No. There is no interpretation of the laws to consider (offsides), its not opinion (free-kicks), there isnt a "who it came off last" debate.

Thats the only technology that i can imagine coming into the game that wouldnt have serious effects on the game that we have at the minute.

I think, as has been said, the technology should be made available to the referee for all decisions, but should be mandatory when making a major decision, ie goal related opportunities and red cards. I don't see it slowing the game up too much. In fact it could actually speed up the game in some circumstances, as there would not be as much debate between the players and the ref and the ref wouldn't need to discuss his decisions with other officials. Hopefully it would discourage some foul play such as fouling and diving, so that would save on stoppages also.

Like Moysey I would like to see it trialled, but I don't see a problem in the referee getting a minor decision wrong.

Also if the ref had the technology, but didn't have to use it, it would leave scope for corruption which would go down well in certain leagues

the irish connection:

The tennis model is the answer. Goal line tech definitely, but for all other decisions give each manager two or three calls per game so that its their decision when to call on the video ref, then no one can complain if a dodgy offside wasnt questioned.

Referees getting decisions right or wrong shouldnt turn into a tactical game for the managers, when to and when not to ask for video evidence. Its should never be in the managers or players hands to request video evidence. Never.

The tennis model is the answer. Goal line tech definitely, but for all other decisions give each manager two or three calls per game so that its their decision when to call on the video ref, then no one can complain if a dodgy offside wasnt questioned.