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  • 29 Jun 2012 12:25 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    pele 10:
    leeman:
    Its very well saying english players wont win anything etc but when you look at the rules and regulations that surround english players at grass root level you will understand how hard it is to get gems like rooney,wilshere,scholes. At a young age you can be moulded in to any sort of player you want, the problem is coaches arnt allowed to spend alot of time with the youngsters as are coaches who work in spain etc. The english national side and the premier league would be far better off if the coaching rules in england were overhauled and many of the academy rules were also looked into.
    I thought those rules were changed just recently. Within the last 2 or 3 years? It is a little early yet but I thought the effects were starting to show in the improvement of some of the younger groups. U17s to mention one where it has been noticed.
    The main thing that's changed at grass roots is, kids are on smaller pitches now and a bigger emphasis is on technique and a lot of games now are playing not over head height, to keep the ball low and sharp movement, will be 6-10 years before we see the benefits of this though, in my eyes, it's still not enough, I'm trying to get signatures off all the parents of the kids I teach to allow more time to teach their kids, got a lot of bright kids in my batch and I feel I am not allowed enough time to help them. The rules here are obsurd.
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  • 29 Jun 2012 12:18 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    leeman:
    Its very well saying english players wont win anything etc but when you look at the rules and regulations that surround english players at grass root level you will understand how hard it is to get gems like rooney,wilshere,scholes. At a young age you can be moulded in to any sort of player you want, the problem is coaches arnt allowed to spend alot of time with the youngsters as are coaches who work in spain etc. The english national side and the premier league would be far better off if the coaching rules in england were overhauled and many of the academy rules were also looked into.
    I thought those rules were changed just recently. Within the last 2 or 3 years? It is a little early yet but I thought the effects were starting to show in the improvement of some of the younger groups. U17s to mention one where it has been noticed.
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:53 AM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    Ruud van the man`s main fan:
    Cleverbeck.:
    Uniteds "best squad ever" in 2008 contained a very large English and British influence. Hargo Carrick and Scholes were one of the best midfields we've ever seen.
    Have to agree. What would i give to see them 3 at their peak against Barca. Hargo plays like a German, Carrick plays like a Spaniard and if there ever was a country for Scholes, its gotta be Manchester United.
    Rio and Brown at the back too. Rooney up top. Fletcher was also included.
    City bought the title
    City have ruined football with the money
    City are the devil

    We need to buy Falcao Lucas and Modric though
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:52 AM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    we have the best players in england(apart from gerrard,cole and hart). Especially in midfield. Only english player who could really change something is wilshere and maybe chamberlain. Would luv to have him in . Premier league we can do well in. Europe is another story. Unless we nurture and teach players like will keane, welbeck,cleverley smalling. I would not buy any of the current crop of english players . It seems england is well behind in terms of players development. We will have to rely on our own academy to create talents that can compete with the best worldwide.
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:47 AM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    Cleverbeck.:
    Uniteds "best squad ever" in 2008 contained a very large English and British influence. Hargo Carrick and Scholes were one of the best midfields we've ever seen.
    Have to agree. What would i give to see them 3 at their peak against Barca. Hargo plays like a German, Carrick plays like a Spaniard and if there ever was a country for Scholes, its gotta be Manchester United.
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:41 AM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    Uniteds "best squad ever" in 2008 contained a very large English and British influence. Hargo Carrick and Scholes were one of the best midfields we've ever seen.
    City bought the title
    City have ruined football with the money
    City are the devil

    We need to buy Falcao Lucas and Modric though
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:35 AM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    I don't agree with the O.P about Rooney because he has ability and talent. There's no question about that. But British and Irish players don't exactly match up with their European counterparts. Especially with technique and guile. Things are changing with the younger players in Britain and thats evident with players like Wilshere, Cleverly, Chamberlain and Ramsey. To say we won't win the league is a stretch considering there's English players in opposition teams in the E.P.L. In Europe Utd find a bit more difficult to compete and retain the ball as easily as the E.P.L and thats a result of continental players being better on the ball than there British counterparts.
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  • 29 Jun 2012 9:30 AM

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    Simple question,

    Why are you supporting an English team then..?

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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:55 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    most idiotic post ever absolute rubbish.
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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:40 PM

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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:37 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    therealry:
    mark.k.:
    Well there's going to be a rule about every squad having a min number of English players so you may as well disregard this thread.
    No there isn't. There is the homegrown player rule but that does not mean the players have to be English . As far as the 6+5 rule, well you will notice that is no longer being pushed by FIFA and UEFA because they realize under EU law it would not be legal.
    Ok, I stand corrected.

    I didn't want to split hairs to over complicate for the OP.

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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:28 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    mark.k.:
    Well there's going to be a rule about every squad having a min number of English players so you may as well disregard this thread.
    No there isn't. There is the homegrown player rule but that does not mean the players have to be English . As far as the 6+5 rule, well you will notice that is no longer being pushed by FIFA and UEFA because they realize under EU law it would not be legal.
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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:25 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    Locked
    Oddly enough the teams that won the PL and CL this season had English players. Which leaves us realizing that the OP is either on a very stupid WUM, is just very stupid or both.
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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:21 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    skillachi:
    Ive always said rooney is overhyped, if u watch or know football- you will see he scores goals only when nani orvalencia set him up on a plate- he does not get that with england so is exposed for the player he actually is. Young never was or will be the answer, nani must stay. Ronaldo is getting the plaudits but nani has done most of the work for portugal. Only scholes is the one true world class english player. I just hope our new foreign bunch- kawaga and whoever else are good enough to take us to the top
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  • 28 Jun 2012 8:17 PM

    Re: With english players we will never win CL or PL

    Of course we will we dont it before we can do it again.What kind of thread is this?truely pathetic
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