The Rooney excuses tread was a real huge improvement for this forum.

I believe this entire people who write treads for years in this forum, they voiced their support for Man Utd and everybody is special in their own way.

The same fans and media that built him up like some kind of demi god then turn on him at the slightest opportunity.

realistic fans? reality? who knows whats real or not? who can say that? me? you?

a can say MY REALITY, you can say YOUR REALITY ...

and I can't say my reality is better than yours, b'coz it's not, for you of course maybe RY should've posted this

so, IMO ... Rooney's excuses thread is not a shame ... especially b'coz he is the only one in the history of the club talking non-sence about the United ambition etc

that will always leave the mark, even is in the past

that's MY reality, so realistic take care all

beeks7:

im Glad you have made this thread... Im not from Manchester however, it is somehwat publiscized that Manchester United fans (from Manchester) do not support England. Reason being is that they hate teaming up with fans of Liver,bolton,leeds, City etc etc. Another reason is that all fans of these(other) teams hate The United players in the team even tho they are almost always the driving force behind England.. I must say that i agree with the anti England Football "campaigne" bcoz look at how Rooney gets treated, look at Rio before him (Dropped coz of Terry and the *** test) and Becks b4 him. I would like to know what the ppl's views are about the whole United>England thing? because i dont actually see anyone hating the "Engerlunders" here. so is the whole fued between England and United fact or what?

i despise england and its well known have done for years but not cause i am united fan, the whole england setup is shocking, players get picked on repuation and not merit big names wont be dropped and the fa will not appoint someone with balls who will drop the has bins and build a team from scratch with young blood.

paul scholes had the right idea retireing from international dutie, he would still walk in that team now.The problem is if england was full of united players which it should be in my eyes in the near future with the like of jones,smalling,cleverly,young and wellbeck he nation would be in uproar and say the team is bias. Why are spain so good cause there first team practically consists of players from the top two teams in la liga.

The fact the other teams would kick off is the reason why henderson was in the england squad as well as carroll over the likes of better players. until all this changes england dont stand a chance, i would rather watch england get beaten on a regular basis if it meant we had a young crop who are playing with wach other on a regular basis,cause on day it would click and then only then enagland might be world beaters in my eyes.

as for the treatment of rooney if i was him i would not play again cause its shocking behaviour talk about putting the weight of a nations dreams on one mans sholders!!

According to cleverbeck every player we have on our books and every player we sign is world class.

Natedogg:

Cleverbeck.:

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

If you were "realistic" you'd be grateful at having the chance to watch these players on TV. The amount of people that have a TV and an Internet connection that think they're entitled to watch world class football every week - you're a joke.

I love how you make it sound like we're watching pele and maradona everyweek. Of course everybody is greatful to see to us play but their not Gods their footballers. Seeing world class football is just a preference for alot of people and theres nothing wrong with wanting to see top quality football.

Agreed.

Cleverbeck.:

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

If you were "realistic" you'd be grateful at having the chance to watch these players on TV. The amount of people that have a TV and an Internet connection that think they're entitled to watch world class football every week - you're a joke.

I love how you make it sound like we're watching pele and maradona everyweek. Of course everybody is greatful to see to us play but their not Gods their footballers. Seeing world class football is just a preference for alot of people and theres nothing wrong with wanting to see top quality football.

Cleverbeck.:

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

If you were "realistic" you'd be grateful at having the chance to watch these players on TV. The amount of people that have a TV and an Internet connection that think they're entitled to watch world class football every week - you're a joke.

Not entitled to watch anything but I am entitled to give my opinion as that's exactly what this forum is for. People like you that s hit on anyone that doesn't see things the same way you do and act the hard man behind their computer screens are a joke.

daza13:

sir buckles:

I haven't seen that much bashing of three United players in a thread since the 6-1 loss to Manchester. City! It was horrible. And it looked bad on all of our parts on our support and made us look like plastic fans. When Rooney is doing well he is world class to pretty much every United fan, but when he doesn't play football for a month and does bad in two games he is a lazy slobs who is nowhere near World Class, seriously?! Rooney is definetly World Class As for young, he was below standards, I think it was mainly due to the fact that people expected him to due really well. There was a lot of negativity yesterday and I didn't like it. Thoughts?

I agree, all these so called fans that say we must sell Rooney don't know football, Rooney is the most complete player in the world and we would never be able to replace him if he left because there is no player like him. he had a top season and yes he was missing something the last month of the season but he had a knock for that month and anyone who has played the game before will know it can really stuff your game up. Also this talk about him not playing good for England has nothing to do with the way he played for united. the way England played did not suit his style. The people that say we must sell him are plastic fans and they a disgrace

Rooney is not a complete player and at this moment and time he cannot claim to be a world class player. Rooney was a better player at the age of 20 when he could receice, control and pass the ball accurately not to forgrt that he was even capable of beating a couple of players. That's when Rooney was considered to be in the same category of Ronaldo and Messi. Presently there so many players in the PL alone who are far much better than Rooney. For example although Rooney is our top scorer it's Antonio Valencia who has emerged as the best player of the season. Let's not cheat ourselves that Rooney is indespensable. I 've read SAF's statement praising Drogba as the player who won the CL for Chelsea, but with Rooney we have knocked out in every competition with our star Rooney failing to do what SAF feels Drogba did to Chelsea and yet we claim him to be '' the most complete player in the world" he is not there.

Cleverbeck.:

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

If you were "realistic" you'd be grateful at having the chance to watch these players on TV. The amount of people that have a TV and an Internet connection that think they're entitled to watch world class football every week - you're a joke.

CLEVERBECK YOUR SIGNATURE IS AWSOME! AND FUNNY!

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

If you were "realistic" you'd be grateful at having the chance to watch these players on TV. The amount of people that have a TV and an Internet connection that think they're entitled to watch world class football every week - you're a joke.

Michael Ballard.:

Sephiroth Rising:

Come on don't be silly he's far from being the most complete player in the world. He's one of the most creative strikers yes, but most complete? Never, messi holds that title boy. Allow me to ask you a few questions; Can rooney dribble past players at will? Has he got lighting pace? Can he consistently control a ball? How can a fan be plastic just because they're realistic about a player and not overrating him? You're blind worship of these players is embarrassing. You support the player more than the club. No one in the ''rooney excuse'' thread suggested that he needs to be sold. Just that he fails to deliver on the big stage and there is always excuses waiting to be told when he fcks up.

+1. I love United but at the same time I am realistic about the players we have.

Agree with you both. Calling a realistic fan plastic is a complete joke. I respect realistic fans more then those rose tinted spectacle wearing stupidly biased idiots who give the club a bad name with their unrealistic brainless opinions. Being a realistic fan is about giving praise where its due criticism where its due and none biased opinions on our players. And calling Rooney the most complete player in the world is nonense. He needs to Go and watch some videos of Van Basten and learn the meaning of the words "complete striker". Ive said it before and I'll say it again, rooney is stupidly overrated by some united fans.

daza13:

Did I not say messi is the best attacking player in the world? Ok I should have said best player in the world but it’s what I meant. I never said that Rooney was the best I said he is the most complete. Meaning his has the most attributes. You want to get funny about me say he can strike a ball buy saying that it is a no brainer because he is a strike. I was naming all the attributes he has. Rooney is good at CM. As for Smith, I was never a fan to be honest. You right Messi can play anywhere in the front but he doesn’t have ridiculous strength? He doesn’t mate. It’s like you implying that United’s top goal scorer is useless, that is harsh

The reason why I was laughing at your statement that rooney can strike a ball, is because most strikers can. Next you'll be telling me he can run and breath to impress me. It's like rating a defender and stating that they can tackle as if it's something unusual for that kind of player. Anyway let's break this down to compare who has more attributes as this is your point where you come to the conclusion that rooney is the most complete player in the world. I'd argue even players like aguero, tevez and van persie are more complete and consistent than rooney. Anyway here is messi and rooney comparison in regards to their attributes which set them apart from the rest. Rooney attributes Scoring Heading Strength Passing Workrate Versatile Messi Scoring Dribbling Strength Technique Set piece specialist Passing Flair The most Consistent player in the world Versatile As we can see, rooney clearly hasn't got the most attributes in the world and has more downfalls as a player than a lot of other elite players. That being he's inconsistent, he often loses it when under pressure, disgusting first touch, far too inconsistent to be considered a great. Btw messi is very strong on the ball, you must not have watched him in a full game if you think he is weak. Maybe it's more his balance, but he;s incredibly tough to knock off the ball once in control. Btw I never ever said rooney is useless. He's one of our best players but doesn't necessarily mean he's the best in the world.

Sephiroth Rising:

daza13:

never said he has everything because no player in the world does. messi is the best attacking player i agree but that doesn't make him the most complete. Rooney can play ST, CF, LW, CM, he can control the ball, has a great range of passing, can striker the ball, has strenght, stamina and runs his ass off, he can even tackle boy. as to him making mistakes all players do even messi and ronaldo do. you say i support the player more then the club, how can you say that you dont know me at all

Messi can play behind the striker, left and right wing and up top. lol Mentioning that rooney can play cm is pointless. Rafeal has played in cm doesn't mean he's any good in that position. Yes he has a great range of passing I agree. As for striking the ball, that is the minimum expected from a striker lol. Messi also has ridiculous strength just people don't see it as they assume hes weak due to his small frame. But he consistently holds off three players while on the ball. Messi's workrate is just as good. He may not run around like a headless chicken but he works just as hard for the team. Not to mention Rooney goes through barren spells which can last for months and where he looks like a sunday league player. When someone like Messi is on their off day it usually only lasts for one or two games and they still look like an proffesional football capable of mustering of moment of brilliance. Rooney when off form looks like a fat slob off the street who has just won a competition to play for Man Utd for the day.. And Just because he tracks back and tackles doesn't mean anything. Alan Smith tracks back and tackles, whoopty doo. But I wouldn't be surprised if when smith joined us you were calling him one of the best strikers of his generation. In all seriousness you've gone off to the other end of the spectrum from where others have underrated him saying he's *** and needs to be sold. You've overrated him and put him on par with messi. The truth is somewhere in between.

Did I not say messi is the best attacking player in the world? Ok I should have said best player in the world but it’s what I meant. I never said that Rooney was the best I said he is the most complete. Meaning his has the most attributes. You want to get funny about me say he can strike a ball buy saying that it is a no brainer because he is a strike. I was naming all the attributes he has. Rooney is good at CM. As for Smith, I was never a fan to be honest. You right Messi can play anywhere in the front but he doesn’t have ridiculous strength? He doesn’t mate. It’s like you implying that United’s top goal scorer is useless, that is harsh

daza13:

never said he has everything because no player in the world does. messi is the best attacking player i agree but that doesn't make him the most complete. Rooney can play ST, CF, LW, CM, he can control the ball, has a great range of passing, can striker the ball, has strenght, stamina and runs his ass off, he can even tackle boy. as to him making mistakes all players do even messi and ronaldo do. you say i support the player more then the club, how can you say that you dont know me at all

Messi can play behind the striker, left and right wing and up top. lol Mentioning that rooney can play cm is pointless. Rafeal has played in cm doesn't mean he's any good in that position. Yes he has a great range of passing I agree. As for striking the ball, that is the minimum expected from a striker lol. Messi also has ridiculous strength just people don't see it as they assume hes weak due to his small frame. But he consistently holds off three players while on the ball. Messi's workrate is just as good. He may not run around like a headless chicken but he works just as hard for the team. Not to mention Rooney goes through barren spells which can last for months and where he looks like a sunday league player. When someone like Messi is on their off day it usually only lasts for one or two games and they still look like an proffesional football capable of mustering of moment of brilliance. Rooney when off form looks like a fat slob off the street who has just won a competition to play for Man Utd for the day.. And Just because he tracks back and tackles doesn't mean anything. Alan Smith tracks back and tackles, whoopty doo. But I wouldn't be surprised if when smith joined us you were calling him one of the best strikers of his generation. In all seriousness you've gone off to the other end of the spectrum from where others have underrated him saying he's *** and needs to be sold. You've overrated him and put him on par with messi. The truth is somewhere in between.