mazhar08:

jasper99:

BizarreMind:

mazhar08:

BizarreMind:

,I do not like it when Rooney drops deep,I do not like it when Rooney is the one creating the chance,granted it is team play,but are CM/CAM/Wingers are there to create chances for are strikers.

So you're okay if strikers like Raul, van Persie, Benzema, Welbeck, etc., drop deep and get involved but not Rooney?

Raul,Van Persie,Benzema all have something in common a decent/Good midfield behind them,United at this moment in time do not have the luxury,Also add to the fact that Rooney is more of a goal threat then what Welbeck is,indeed i have no problem with Welbeck dropping deep as he is similar in style to Rooney(the ability to link up play at times)

I would rather Rooney be going for goal then Welbeck so to summon it all up,Yes i do not want Rooney to drop deep he is are Only 20+ goal a season striker,the last thing i want is for him to be playing deep looking for the ball or be the CM/CAM.

agree,what would law,greaves,cole,romario,ronaldo (goofy),van nistelrooy,van basten,bla,bla,say if they were asked to drop deep,load of b u l l for me..

van Basten dropped back, and he stlil scored tons of goals...

Deep-lying forwards can still score tons of goals. Look at Raul. He's scored tons of goals, and he was played as a false 9/deep-lying forward throughout his career. Same with Baggio, Totti, and del Piero. Benzema's another one of those players who can get tons of goals but isn't an out-and-out striker. van Persie's another one.

Oh, and by the way, Rooney's had his highest goalscoring season since the 2009/10 season in this role. And if you're saying he was the only player scoring goals for us, well why isn't Barcelona considered weak if Messi's their only goalscorer? What about Arsenal? What about Bayern Munich? Their only forward who can score goals is Gomez. Muller has less goals than Welbeck! What about Man. City? Only Aguero has scored goals for them throughout the season. Dzeko has 1 more goal than Welbeck in the same number of appearances! So what if one player scores so many goals? Rarely do you see 2 or more players score 25+ goals in a season in a competitive league (right now, it's C. Ronaldo, Higuain, and Benzema, all having more than 30 goals last season).

Oh, and how does a "rubbish" midfield constitute to a forward dropping deeper? So if other deep-lying forwards have a good midfield, they are allowed to drop back, but if Rooney supposedly doesn't have a good midfield, he should stay up front? Rooney has been dropping back since the beginning. He did this with Everton and with us when we had Scholes and Keane playing together! He's been doing this since the beginning, but people now don't want him to drop back just because the mask that is Rooney's youthful attitude and style is taken away. Why do you think Rooney was the only forward to regularly partner van Nistelrooy since Scholes moved up to a deep-lying forward role?

Even with a top midfield, you'll see Rooney drop back into deep positions. This is because that is how they play. That's their style. If England as a country chooses to ignore such a role and make all forwards strikers, they're going to miss out on the luxury that the likes of Spain, Italy, France, and Argentina are benefiting from now.

The difference between Rooney & Baggio,Totti,Raul,Van Basten, is that None of them played in the PL,Which in all honesty is 1 of the most physically demanding if not the most physically demanding league in the world. Granted deep lying forwards "Can" score goals.

BUT deep lying forwards also have the possibility of not scoring goals,due to them lying so deep and by the time the wingers swing a ball in "Oh Oh" where is are striker,oh he is lying deep so he could not get there in time,Rooney has started playing forward more and more,and he has looked more of a goal threat for it.

The difference between Rooney & Baggio,Totti,Raul,Van Basten, is that None of them played in the PL,Which in all honesty is 1 of the most physically demanding if not the most physically demanding league in the world. Granted deep lying forwards "Can" score goals.

BUT deep lying forwards also have the possibility of not scoring goals,due to them lying so deep and by the time the wingers swing a ball in "Oh Oh" where is are striker,oh he is lying deep so he could not get there in time,Rooney has started playing forward more and more,and he has looked more of a goal threat for it.

And lets be honest if Tevez had played a full season with City no doubt he would of been level or maybe have scored more goals then Aguero, Van Persie can drop deep with the knowledge that he has a better midfield behind him due to the fact that he can make a pass and go forward and know the ball is not far behind him or coming into him.

Carrick goes backwards & Scholes is the only midfielder with the ability to pick out a pass with precision in are team,Rooney drops deep to go looking for the ball,other wise it would spend more time going between are goal keeper & Carrick. Once United have a capable midfield that are willing to go forward or defend then Rooney will spend even more time upfront especially if Kagawa plays behind him.

When was the last time we had a top midfield? 2 or 3 seasons ago? maybe more? Spain,Italy,France,Argentina all benefit from having a good midfield. And take Messi out of Barca and they do lack a goal threat and thus would make them weaker,however they still have a midfield of Xavi,Iniesta to players that are the best in what they do

And lets be honest if Tevez had played a full season with City no doubt he would of been level or maybe have scored more goals then Aguero Van Persie can drop deep with the knowldege that he has a better midfield behind him due to the fact that he can make a pass and go forward and know the ball is not far behind him or coming into him.

Carrick goes backwards & Scholes is the only midfielder with the ability to pick out a pass with precision in are team,Rooney drops deep to go looking for the ball,other wise it would spend more time going between are goal keeper & Carrick. Once United have a capable midfield that are willing to go forward or defend then Rooney will spend even more time upfront especailly if Kagawa plays behind him.

With a top midfield when was the last time we had a top midfield? 2 or 3 seasons ago? maybe more? Spain,Italy,France,Argentina all benefit from having a good midfield. And take Messi out of Barca and they do lack a goal threat and thus would make them weaker.

jasper99:

BizarreMind:

mazhar08:

BizarreMind:

,I do not like it when Rooney drops deep,I do not like it when Rooney is the one creating the chance,granted it is team play,but are CM/CAM/Wingers are there to create chances for are strikers.

So you're okay if strikers like Raul, van Persie, Benzema, Welbeck, etc., drop deep and get involved but not Rooney?

Raul,Van Persie,Benzema all have something in common a decent/Good midfield behind them,United at this moment in time do not have the luxury,Also add to the fact that Rooney is more of a goal threat then what Welbeck is,indeed i have no problem with Welbeck dropping deep as he is similar in style to Rooney(the ability to link up play at times)

I would rather Rooney be going for goal then Welbeck so to summon it all up,Yes i do not want Rooney to drop deep he is are Only 20+ goal a season striker,the last thing i want is for him to be playing deep looking for the ball or be the CM/CAM.

agree,what would law,greaves,cole,romario,ronaldo (goofy),van nistelrooy,van basten,bla,bla,say if they were asked to drop deep,load of b u l l for me..

van Basten dropped back, and he stlil scored tons of goals...

Deep-lying forwards can still score tons of goals. Look at Raul. He's scored tons of goals, and he was played as a false 9/deep-lying forward throughout his career. Same with Baggio, Totti, and del Piero. Benzema's another one of those players who can get tons of goals but isn't an out-and-out striker. van Persie's another one.

Oh, and by the way, Rooney's had his highest goalscoring season since the 2009/10 season in this role. And if you're saying he was the only player scoring goals for us, well why isn't Barcelona considered weak if Messi's their only goalscorer? What about Arsenal? What about Bayern Munich? Their only forward who can score goals is Gomez. Muller has less goals than Welbeck! What about Man. City? Only Aguero has scored goals for them throughout the season. Dzeko has 1 more goal than Welbeck in the same number of appearances! So what if one player scores so many goals? Rarely do you see 2 or more players score 25+ goals in a season in a competitive league (right now, it's C. Ronaldo, Higuain, and Benzema, all having more than 30 goals last season).

Oh, and how does a "rubbish" midfield constitute to a forward dropping deeper? So if other deep-lying forwards have a good midfield, they are allowed to drop back, but if Rooney supposedly doesn't have a good midfield, he should stay up front? Rooney has been dropping back since the beginning. He did this with Everton and with us when we had Scholes and Keane playing together! He's been doing this since the beginning, but people now don't want him to drop back just because the mask that is Rooney's youthful attitude and style is taken away. Why do you think Rooney was the only forward to regularly partner van Nistelrooy since Scholes moved up to a deep-lying forward role?

Even with a top midfield, you'll see Rooney drop back into deep positions. This is because that is how they play. That's their style. If England as a country chooses to ignore such a role and make all forwards strikers, they're going to miss out on the luxury that the likes of Spain, Italy, France, and Argentina are benefiting from now.

"RUTHLESS-REDS":

Cleverbeck.:

Personally I think hes on the decline. Personally I'd have sold him if an offer came in from abroad that was in any way decent.

name me another striker that can do what he can do at OT,when his days of been a striker are over, he'll be put in the middle of the field,there'll always be a place in are team for a player like him.name me another who you can get 10+ yrs out of,in different positions as time goes on..

shlongconnery:

To be honest, Rooney played 90 minutes of football in 30 days prior to the Italy game, he certainly wasn't match fit and to get match fit, you need at least 3/4 full games in a row to get it, his touch and passing were wrong but at many times, he had 3 players surrounding him and he did use the ball quite well in some of these scenarios but have 3 players press you when you have the ball each time, you're going to look average fact is, it was Welbeck and Rooney against 8 Italians, we were playing a 8-2 formation, Gerrard, Parker and Milner offered nothing going forward all game and Young was basically playing in left back all game, when he did try to run it out and give us possession he had no options, no one really played well it's just the media hypes up Rooney so much, it's not fair.

For United this season, you'll see him boss it because I feel he won't need to be the player that's everywhere on the pitch, or starting attacks, that will be Kagawa's job, so we'll see the old Rooney I think this season.

but so was Carroll, Henderson, Milner, Parker and even the defence... which defended well but never once passed the ball out and started the attack from the back it was always huff it forward and hope we win the ball... Parker and Milner worked hard but did nothing more in an attacking sense. Milner had no chance on the wing... none.

Until we learn to pass and move we have no chance... time for the new generation of Wilshire, Cleverley, Oxe, Rodwell and a back four with Smalling and Jones in there. We need to prepare for the future and get rid of the dead wood... who admit have the passion but not the ability.

BizarreMind:

mazhar08:

BizarreMind:

,I do not like it when Rooney drops deep,I do not like it when Rooney is the one creating the chance,granted it is team play,but are CM/CAM/Wingers are there to create chances for are strikers.

So you're okay if strikers like Raul, van Persie, Benzema, Welbeck, etc., drop deep and get involved but not Rooney?

Raul,Van Persie,Benzema all have something in common a decent/Good midfield behind them,United at this moment in time do not have the luxury,Also add to the fact that Rooney is more of a goal threat then what Welbeck is,indeed i have no problem with Welbeck dropping deep as he is similar in style to Rooney(the ability to link up play at times)

I would rather Rooney be going for goal then Welbeck so to summon it all up,Yes i do not want Rooney to drop deep he is are Only 20+ goal a season striker,the last thing i want is for him to be playing deep looking for the ball or be the CM/CAM.

"RUTHLESS-REDS":

needs a s.l.u.t,not gettin it at home..look at the season he had when he was ridin everything.his best was it not,well correct me if im wrong...

mazhar08:

BizarreMind:

,I do not like it when Rooney drops deep,I do not like it when Rooney is the one creating the chance,granted it is team play,but are CM/CAM/Wingers are there to create chances for are strikers.

So you're okay if strikers like Raul, van Persie, Benzema, Welbeck, etc., drop deep and get involved but not Rooney?

Raul,Van Persie,Benzema all have something in common a decent/Good midfield behind them,United at this moment in time do not have the luxury,Also add to the fact that Rooney is more of a goal threat then what Welbeck is,indeed i have no problem with Welbeck dropping deep as he is similar in style to Rooney(the ability to link up play at times)

I would rather Rooney be going for goal then Welbeck so to summon it all up,Yes i do not want Rooney to drop deep he is are Only 20+ goal a season striker,the last thing i want is for him to be playing deep looking for the ball or be the CM/CAM.

Unger94:

Cleverbeck.:

Personally I think hes on the decline. Personally I'd have sold him if an offer came in from abroad that was in any way decent.

Thats a really ignorant statement in opinion. Rooney showed last season how amazing and instrumental he is for United and he's yet to reach his peak in my opinion. I'm sure you'll be retracting your statement soon enough.

BizarreMind:

,I do not like it when Rooney drops deep,I do not like it when Rooney is the one creating the chance,granted it is team play,but are CM/CAM/Wingers are there to create chances for are strikers.

Last season the sad fact is we had one of the poorest midfields in the league(In my opinion) we lacked any get up and go,and Rooney & are strikers would find them self's having to drop deeper and deeper to find some possession,even after are poor midfield Rooney is still capable of scoring goals. We have a poor Midfield,however we have Paul Scholes,Engalnd have....Jodran Henderson?

Yes the last couple of games of the season Rooney's touch was off,and he was not getting it his own way,and so what,at the end of the day he was dragging are team through not the best of seasons injury wise & defensive wise but he still kept banging the goals in,i would be more then happy for England to drop Rooney,as it would mean he is more fresher for United,Until England have the ability to produce a Valencia,Nani,Ronaldo,Silva,Inesita,Xavi,etc then England's midfield will always lack that spark of class.

Cleverbeck.:

Personally I think hes on the decline. Personally I'd have sold him if an offer came in from abroad that was in any way decent.

makaveli1:

Even if we forget the euros, i dont think Rooneys as good as he used to be, He gave us a great goal return last season but i just dont think his general all round play was that great compared to the 09/10 season when i think he was really world class, even the seasons before that when he was used out on the left i think he seemed better than he is now, However, im sure he can get back to that top form as hes only 26, bit weird though.