therealry:

silvester88:

DA RED DEVIL:

Thanks leeman the only decent opinion given, at times it just seems if ppl come on the forum to disagree n argue with others

Yeah cause my post was so bad wasnt it.I do not come on here and cause arguments with other people why whats the point in that.I come on here cause i want to see peoples opinions yes we may agree some dont but there is always some people on here that jump down people's throats start verbally abusing people its just silly and immature.

Wow, taking things a bit too persoanl there again Sylvester, remember what happened last time, your old user ID ended getting banned when you threw hissy fits all over the forum..

Hahahaha. Rotfl! Really? Thats what happened. D@mn! I must've missed it! I've always wondered what happened to little old Silvester.

we'llbeback:

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Cafu, Dunga and Roberto Carlos didn't do too badly either. I think it's an attitude/professionalism thing, more than it is a Brazilian thing.

Cafu was better at Roma than Milan for me, he probably was past his peak at about 30 odd imo. Dunga I know little about, but Roberto Carlos is certainly an exception to early declining Brazilians.

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Cafu, Dunga and Roberto Carlos didn't do too badly either. I think it's an attitude/professionalism thing, more than it is a Brazilian thing.

forevergiggs:

Natedogg:

DA RED DEVIL:

Anyone still rate Kaka? Under fergie i think he could become great again

Absoloutely brilliant player at his best used to love watching this guy. Problem is injuries, i like the idea of SAF helping him to rediscover his world player of the year winning form but i think he'd command 100k+ wages and madrid would want silly money. Nice idea though.

Madrid are reported to be asking 10 million for him, which in no way is silly money. Be a great member of the squad to have. Although he's past his best he could still teach a he.ll of a lot to our youngsters, a bit like Lauren Blanc did when he played for us.

Kaka has made known that he would like to stay at Madrid, so i guess it's down to Mourinho if he stays or goes.

Really? well 10million isn't bad then especially for a former world player of the year. I think Mourinho would let him go, especially considering ozil's form and their push to sign modric/silva.

Brittain 10:

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I never said it was randomly, I just said the age he started to decline. As for those you mentioned Edmilson was never great if I'm honest. Juninho Paulista didn't decline this early but did around 29 ish, after that he was never the same. Finally I'm not saying most or all Brazilians decline at an early age, I'm merely saying it's a common thing hence the stereotyping.

I get you :). Lol true but Edmilson was a good player nonetheless who put in good shifts for barcelona over 27. And yes thats true about the stereotyping but too many people use limited high profile examples to make a general stereotype of brazillian footballers in general which is just silly.

Silly to an extent but it's only the high profile ones who are remembered. Few people will know anything about disasters like Roque Junior, only the stars are remembered and when they all show a similar pattern, this stereotyping is created. Daft really considering some were brilliant in their 30s such as Cesar, Roberto Carlos etc.

Very true my friend.

forevergiggs:

Natedogg:

DA RED DEVIL:

Anyone still rate Kaka? Under fergie i think he could become great again

Absoloutely brilliant player at his best used to love watching this guy. Problem is injuries, i like the idea of SAF helping him to rediscover his world player of the year winning form but i think he'd command 100k+ wages and madrid would want silly money. Nice idea though.

Madrid are reported to be asking 10 million for him, which in no way is silly money. Be a great member of the squad to have. Although he's past his best he could still teach a he.ll of a lot to our youngsters, a bit like Lauren Blanc did when he played for us.

Kaka has made known that he would like to stay at Madrid, so i guess it's down to Mourinho if he stays or goes.

Kaka is alright and would be worth 10 million, but we have kagawa now, no need for kaka.

Natedogg:

DA RED DEVIL:

Anyone still rate Kaka? Under fergie i think he could become great again

Absoloutely brilliant player at his best used to love watching this guy. Problem is injuries, i like the idea of SAF helping him to rediscover his world player of the year winning form but i think he'd command 100k+ wages and madrid would want silly money. Nice idea though.

Madrid are reported to be asking 10 million for him, which in no way is silly money. Be a great member of the squad to have. Although he's past his best he could still teach a he.ll of a lot to our youngsters, a bit like Lauren Blanc did when he played for us.

Kaka has made known that he would like to stay at Madrid, so i guess it's down to Mourinho if he stays or goes.

Lol silvester88 my comment wasnt towards u, it was the other 2 dat kinda took it to heart me makin a comment bout kaka lol

"RUTHLESS-REDS":

redmancr:

It's this time of the year again

ye what! ok he's been over shadowed completely by ron.but man is this player a man who know's his job.has had injures,but what players dont get injured,needs playin time, would turn united completly around,just play him enough.like torres that talent just doesn't leave ye,ok you can go through a bad one,but i'd advise you to keep a eye on torres this season.im not sayin he'll be comin here (kaka),what im sayin is theres plenty for this player to stil offer,but he wont do it at madrid.needs a new club asap.. (madrid wasn't gave the name "graveyard for good players"for nothing)..

I agree that at another club he could find his form, but it's not a risk worth taking for me, 30 yo, and wouldn't be cheap, a return to Italy is the best thing he could do, older players tend to play and do well there. Going home to Brazil is another option but I doubt any club would pay that much, and he wouldn't rediscover his top form in a weak league like that.

redmancr:

It's this time of the year again

ye what! ok he's been over shadowed completely by ron.but man is this player a man who know's his job.has had injures,but what players dont get injured,needs playin time, would turn united completly around,just play him enough.like torres that talent just doesn't leave ye,ok you can go through a bad one,but i'd advise you to keep a eye on torres this season.im not sayin he'll be comin here (kaka),what im sayin is theres plenty for this player to stil offer,but he wont do it at madrid.needs a new club asap.. (madrid wasn't gave the name "graveyard for good players"for nothing)..

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I never said it was randomly, I just said the age he started to decline. As for those you mentioned Edmilson was never great if I'm honest. Juninho Paulista didn't decline this early but did around 29 ish, after that he was never the same. Finally I'm not saying most or all Brazilians decline at an early age, I'm merely saying it's a common thing hence the stereotyping.

I get you :). Lol true but Edmilson was a good player nonetheless who put in good shifts for barcelona over 27. And yes thats true about the stereotyping but too many people use limited high profile examples to make a general stereotype of brazillian footballers in general which is just silly.

Silly to an extent but it's only the high profile ones who are remembered. Few people will know anything about disasters like Roque Junior, only the stars are remembered and when they all show a similar pattern, this stereotyping is created. Daft really considering some were brilliant in their 30s such as Cesar, Roberto Carlos etc.

Brittain 10:

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I never said it was randomly, I just said the age he started to decline. As for those you mentioned Edmilson was never great if I'm honest. Juninho Paulista didn't decline this early but did around 29 ish, after that he was never the same. Finally I'm not saying most or all Brazilians decline at an early age, I'm merely saying it's a common thing hence the stereotyping.

I get you :). Lol true but Edmilson was a good player nonetheless who put in good shifts for barcelona over 27. And yes thats true about the stereotyping but too many people use limited high profile examples to make a general stereotype of brazillian footballers in general which is just silly.

Natedogg:

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I never said it was randomly, I just said the age he started to decline. As for those you mentioned Edmilson was never great if I'm honest. Juninho Paulista didn't decline this early but did around 29 ish, after that he was never the same. Finally I'm not saying most or all Brazilians decline at an early age, I'm merely saying it's a common thing hence the stereotyping.

Brittain 10:

leeman:

Brazilians seem to become non existent after a certain age, he is not the player he once was but he seemed to get a bit of form towards the end of his season with real but that's when they played him but I wish him well but he isn't the same guy who was the worlds best player.

IMO that's around 27, there are exceptions but the likes of Ronaldinho, Kaka and debatably Ronaldo, Adriano declined when he turned 25, much like Kleberson!

Adriano didnt just suddenly decline randomly after turning 25, he suffered from depression after his girlfriend died which messed up his mentality and consequently career. Everyone uses high profile cases of declining brazilians what about players like julio cesar, lucio, juan, edmilson,juninho paulista and juninho pernabuchano who were all brilliant players into their 30s? dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I think he is finally living up to his name. Forget him.