Now this has all come out...I must say I am quite relieved. I (and many others on here) knew inherently that there was something very wrong with the club. I have spent three years saying this only to be put down by Glazier loving fools who manipulate stats and figures to make the Glaziers 'Master Plan' look good.

So now we all know the truth..a 'truth' that many of us already knew. The lack of investment and excuses all came back to haunt us last season. The recent success that no doubt the Glazier loving fools will now spout has been down to momentum and SAF...not the Glaziers. Let me state this for all to understand...our success has been IN SPITE OF...NOT BECAUSE OF...THE GLAZIERS.

I said this all along: the no value, and no player better nonsense was spun by either SAF or Gill to try and protect the club they love...they are not to blame for this.

I also don't agree that the market has been overinflated...I will again use players like Augero and Silva to prove my point....United payed £30 million for Rio...eleven years ago! It is not the case that we have 'no money' for transfers...the fact is that the debt has curtailed SAF's spending and left us well behind the best in Europe.

The sooner the Glaziers pack up their several pounds of flesh and b-u-g-g-e-r off the better!

Gavin2011:

I don't know alot about the situation, i have a question for those who do...The Glazers using this method to try and get the debt down, is this plan b? didn't some guys here say united could deal with the debt and still compete in the market? how can that be if we are now focusing on getting the debt down?

im willing to give them the benefit of doubt until the end of the transfer window, if nothings changed then id question their actions.considering what fergies said. Im happy with the two signings we have already made but still not seeing any world class cm, it really is becoming a concern that we cant seem to attract one in some way or another. There is value in the market there always has been, if we were willing to spend 30 million on a defender 10 years ago, why wouldn't we pay the same for a world class cm?

I think that the timing of fluctuations in the Market mainly downturns, together with an overinflated sugardaddy created Market in football transfers has had a negative effect on the Glazers attempt to float or file IPO on SE. Sheikh Mansour and other oligarchs make a joke of reasonable business interest in the football Market. Sir Alex seems genuinely averse to the over inflated prices but he has no choice if he wants to remain competitive. The Glazers are attempting to release some cash and have obviously been advised on the risk of falling too far behind the top four or five heavy spenders as this means decreasing revenue and value of the United brand.

I don't know alot about the situation, i have a question for those who do...The Glazers using this method to try and get the debt down, is this plan b? didn't some guys here say united could deal with the debt and still compete in the market? how can that be if we are now focusing on getting the debt down?

im willing to give them the benefit of doubt until the end of the transfer window, if nothings changed then id question their actions.considering what fergies said. Im happy with the two signings we have already made but still not seeing any world class cm, it really is becoming a concern that we cant seem to attract one in some way or another. There is value in the market there always has been, if we were willing to spend 30 million on a defender 10 years ago, why wouldn't we pay the same for a world class cm?

United road75:

Cheryl Cole:

It's in the Glazers interest that United remain successful. I believe the IPO filing is a testing of the waters, in the longterm the Glazers will be looking at raising £ 500m to £1b on the NYSE. Sir Alex and Gill have attempted to underplay the significance of the debt and it's negative impact on our ability to compete in the transfer market, in terms of PR they reasonably attempt to steady the ship. The Glazers are not stupid and know that they must raise the cash to allow Sir Alex and United to compete for the top players and coaches and yes the Market has been overinflated by the sugardaddys' silly spending. It is in nobody's interest for United to go another season without silverware. Not making Europe would be a disaster for owners who are protecting their interest naturally. In the long term this is all good as the owners have realised the importance of staying competitive. No point in anyone blaming David Gill or Sir Alex , they are trying to protect the club at a moment of risk and insecurity. The IPO filing is a step in the right direction with the longterm plan being to remain competitive on the transfer Market and reducing the indebtedness. Maybe with the owners even selling to make a profit later.

If the Glazers are so clever then why has it took paying over £500m in interest payments for them to realize we've got a problem?

No point in questioning the Glazers intelligence. Their financial acumen is not in doubt and they are in this to make money. I am no fan of the Glazers and have been arguing with posters on threads here that the debt has made us unable to compete on the bloated by Madrid, citihad and chelski transfer Market. The filing IPO is a good thing, if only as you say it is acknowledging in risk factoring the need to remain competitive regarding acquisition of variable capital, top coaches and player recruitment and increasing market value.

Cheryl Cole:

It's in the Glazers interest that United remain successful. I believe the IPO filing is a testing of the waters, in the longterm the Glazers will be looking at raising £ 500m to £1b on the NYSE. Sir Alex and Gill have attempted to underplay the significance of the debt and it's negative impact on our ability to compete in the transfer market, in terms of PR they reasonably attempt to steady the ship. The Glazers are not stupid and know that they must raise the cash to allow Sir Alex and United to compete for the top players and coaches and yes the Market has been overinflated by the sugardaddys' silly spending. It is in nobody's interest for United to go another season without silverware. Not making Europe would be a disaster for owners who are protecting their interest naturally. In the long term this is all good as the owners have realised the importance of staying competitive. No point in anyone blaming David Gill or Sir Alex , they are trying to protect the club at a moment of risk and insecurity. The IPO filing is a step in the right direction with the longterm plan being to remain competitive on the transfer Market and reducing the indebtedness. Maybe with the owners even selling to make a profit later.

If the Glazers are so clever then why has it took paying over £500m in interest payments for them to realize we've got a problem?

It's in the Glazers interest that United remain successful. I believe the IPO filing is a testing of the waters, in the longterm the Glazers will be looking at raising £ 500m to £1b on the NYSE. Sir Alex and Gill have attempted to underplay the significance of the debt and it's negative impact on our ability to compete in the transfer market, in terms of PR they reasonably attempt to steady the ship. The Glazers are not stupid and know that they must raise the cash to allow Sir Alex and United to compete for the top players and coaches and yes the Market has been overinflated by the sugardaddys' silly spending. It is in nobody's interest for United to go another season without silverware. Not making Europe would be a disaster for owners who are protecting their interest naturally. In the long term this is all good as the owners have realised the importance of staying competitive. No point in anyone blaming David Gill or Sir Alex , they are trying to protect the club at a moment of risk and insecurity. The IPO filing is a step in the right direction with the longterm plan being to remain competitive on the transfer Market and reducing the indebtedness. Maybe with the owners even selling to make a profit later.

I am worried that the IPO Prospectus actually says that the club will be using money raised to help clear debt and that the club may suffer financial health problems that will prevent the repayment of the debt! It may be worth watching the event at Ibrox very closely now! Manchester United F.C. is starting to look less and less untouchable!

Oh dear our worse nightmare , So Fergie and Gill tell us now that debt is not hindering us ! just as most fans realized both of you have lied to cover up for the Glazers. So its safe to say there won't be any major signings for the foreseeable future. One good thing is at least you can't bluff us anymore. MUFC player purchases between 09-11 £125m, player sales £153m. Net spend: £-28m. During same period interest paid on debt = £244.9m