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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:31 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    Rooney10Cam:
    Guys do you lot think this line up may work if we sign the lad and remember Welbeck can always come in and play on the left if needed.

    Lucas can't play cm imo. As much as I'd like this team to work I just think Jones would be overwhelmed.
    It's so simple to be wise; think of something stupid to say and don't say it
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:23 PM

    Lucas Moura analysis.

    I have watched quite a lot of Brazilian games and Lucas has caught my eye so I thought I should share some of my knowledge,sorry for the long read,I have to post it here due to therealry locking my thread although I feel analysis of a target is different to reporting a rumour however here it is.

    Speed: It's one of the most important parts of his game and he uses it very well, his preferred way to do it seems to be by luring defenders in towards him before putting the ball ahead into a bit of open space and then take the defenders out of game with his acceleration. However it must be noted that he doesn't require that much space to hit the ball into. He seems to hit into open space in a very calculated way, usually more than enough to get there and take the ball past the next defender who had come after the free ball very similar to Valencia. On some occasions he'll have a calm head, finding a pass out of it but on some occasions he tried to take on the fourth as well and gave the ball away.

    Balance: is amazing ability to pick up speed very quickly is impressive but he excels in other physical areas too. To be a great player in Europe just speed isn't enough and for Lucas, there are no problems. When you think of a fast player barely over 170 centimeters then you imagine him to be a skinny lad who cannot get into a physical battle, but Lucas is a very different story as he has very good balance and great strength.In that way he is similar to Lionel Messi, although his dribbling style is bit less elegant and bit more explosive. Low centre of balance, great acceleration, good control of the ball and strong body build helps him come out of most challenges with either a foul or the ball.

    Lacks in discipline: If there is anything that screams for a need of improvement then it must be the slight lack of discipline and "self-motivating" when playing. I understand that in San Paulo he is probably given freedom to move as much he likes and given no big defensive duties but even then you could say he doesn't try hard enough,What seems to give away his slightly slack attitude without the ball was the intensity with which he opened up for passes in the attacking phase. When in middle of the field, a player needs to work hard to get himself on the ball against teams which sit quite deep, but he seems to be more about waiting for the ball to come to him. The less talented players around him showed more eagerness to offer passing options to the team-mates. While playing in South America he can afford being bit lazy against defenders who are often not that good or defences that are not well organised, but in Europe he'll have less room and such attitude might make him disappear in some games. Also he is not hundred percent ready to play big intense game for full 90 minutes as his movement starts to show signs of tiredness already at the end of the first half.

    Defensive Capabilities: All in all his defending was is too minimalistic in some games. Even the most talented need to help to defend in the modern game and that might be his big challenge when he moves to Europe as it is very likely that he is not going to be granted a free pass from defending. I wouldn't demand him to go back to his own third of the pitch, but he does need to be a bit more energetic and intelligent with his defending.

    What level might he reach: He can clearly become one of the best players in the world. There is a potential of Ballon d'Or in him but at this moment he is far from it. Even if he is starting material now and technically and physically as good as it gets, the flaws I brought out are often things that could keep a player like him from becoming a very dangerous, unpredictable player into one who puts in a brilliant performance nine games out of 10. I honestly think if he makes the right choices and has got the ambition to be one of the best, he can also become a better and more useful player than Neymar.

    Line up if he is bought:

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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:22 PM

    Re: Content to be approved by the moderator

    Locked
    Good lord there is a thread with over 125 posts in it about this guy right near the top of the page, no need for a new thread.
    Just saying hello to my little internet stalkers
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:20 PM

    Lucas Moura analysis and how he may fit in our line up

    I have watched quite a lot of Brazilian games and Lucas has caught my eye so I thought I should share some of my knowledge,sorry for the long read.

    Speed: It's one of the most important parts of his game and he uses it very well, his preferred way to do it seems to be by luring defenders in towards him before putting the ball ahead into a bit of open space and then take the defenders out of game with his acceleration. However it must be noted that he doesn't require that much space to hit the ball into. He seems to hit into open space in a very calculated way, usually more than enough to get there and take the ball past the next defender who had come after the free ball very similar to Valencia. On some occasions he'll have a calm head, finding a pass out of it but on some occasions he tried to take on the fourth as well and gave the ball away.

    Balance: is amazing ability to pick up speed very quickly is impressive but he excels in other physical areas too. To be a great player in Europe just speed isn't enough and for Lucas, there are no problems. When you think of a fast player barely over 170 centimeters then you imagine him to be a skinny lad who cannot get into a physical battle, but Lucas is a very different story as he has very good balance and great strength.In that way he is similar to Lionel Messi, although his dribbling style is bit less elegant and bit more explosive. Low centre of balance, great acceleration, good control of the ball and strong body build helps him come out of most challenges with either a foul or the ball.

    Lacks in discipline: If there is anything that screams for a need of improvement then it must be the slight lack of discipline and "self-motivating" when playing. I understand that in San Paulo he is probably given freedom to move as much he likes and given no big defensive duties but even then you could say he doesn't try hard enough,What seems to give away his slightly slack attitude without the ball was the intensity with which he opened up for passes in the attacking phase. When in middle of the field, a player needs to work hard to get himself on the ball against teams which sit quite deep, but he seems to be more about waiting for the ball to come to him. The less talented players around him showed more eagerness to offer passing options to the team-mates. While playing in South America he can afford being bit lazy against defenders who are often not that good or defences that are not well organised, but in Europe he'll have less room and such attitude might make him disappear in some games. Also he is not hundred percent ready to play big intense game for full 90 minutes as his movement starts to show signs of tiredness already at the end of the first half.

    Defensive Capabilities: All in all his defending was is too minimalistic in some games. Even the most talented need to help to defend in the modern game and that might be his big challenge when he moves to Europe as it is very likely that he is not going to be granted a free pass from defending. I wouldn't demand him to go back to his own third of the pitch, but he does need to be a bit more energetic and intelligent with his defending.

    What level might he reach: He can clearly become one of the best players in the world. There is a potential of Ballon d'Or in him but at this moment he is far from it. Even if he is starting material now and technically and physically as good as it gets, the flaws I brought out are often things that could keep a player like him from becoming a very dangerous, unpredictable player into one who puts in a brilliant performance nine games out of 10. I honestly think if he makes the right choices and has got the ambition to be one of the best, he can also become a better and more useful player than Neymar.

    Line up if he is bought:

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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:20 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    Brittain 10:
    Colonial Red:
    Brittain 10:
    Colonial Red:
    Brittain 10:
    Moyesy:
    volcom:
    martinez / yan m'vil***
    I dont think we will go for either, or that type of midfielder. If anyone, it will be someone to compliment Carrick, rather that those two who both play the Carrick role (all be it in a different way).
    Surely an alternative to Carrick would be necessary though? Imo none of our other midfielders plays that sort of game, meaning we need Carrick for EVERY match! The reason I and many stress for this M'Vila type player is to give us options and to ensure Carrick gets a rest as well as adding steel to our midfield!
    I agree and with Arsenal pulling out of a move for M'Villa it would make it all that much easier to swoop in for him. He and Carrick together would allow freedom to field players like Lucas, Kagawa, Nani and Rooney together.
    That's the jist of it yeah. It gives them that freedom so they don't have to keep looking over their shoulder. An enforcer would be brilliant imo, and if Arsenal have genuinely pulled out M'Vila's there for the taking. As for Lucas he ain't here yet by any means ;) I think we'll only get him if Nani leaves tbh.
    More of a hypothetical including Lucas in that list mate. ;-) I think there is a chance we could get him without selling Nani but if Nani were to be sold I'd say a deal for Lucas would be all but a certainty.
    Oh no don't get hypothetical! One of the first steps to disappointment! I really can't see us signing him and keeping Nani, there'd just be too much attacking talent, if he goes, which although I hope he doesn't, I'd like to think we could get £35 million at least for him, especially if Carthorse Carroll is worth that much. ;)
    lol honestly the only way I'd see we got that type of return on Nani is by selling him to Russia, China or City. Italians are cheap and would probably go no further than 20 and the big 2 in Spain are struggling with debt issues of their own and aren't exactly in need of wingers. I'd bet we keep Nani, possibly selling Berbatov and Anderson for a combined 18-20 and using that plus the freed up wages to go for whomever is our top target whether that be Lucas, Modric, Moutinho, Martinez etc is anyone's guess.
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:19 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    Colonial Red:
    I may still be the only one to believe this but I was impressed with how Carrick and Jones performed together in the midfield and I think with Kagawa (a far more superior technical footballer) in front of both of them we could be sorted. Jones is more than capable of being our future destroyer while Carrick offers us a deep lying playmaker. I can see that lineup easily working. DDG-gk, Rafael-rb, Ferdinand/Smalling-cb, Vidic/Evans-cb, Evra/Baines-lb, Carrick/Anderson-cm, Jones/Scholes-cm, Kagawa/Cleverley-cam, Valencia/Nani-rm, Young/Nani-lm, Rooney/Welbeck/Hernandez-st.
    That was something I'd considered. Jones is good at tackling and marauding runs as well as passing, so has the basic attributes of an enforcer. Needs more time there to convinve me though, if he's good there he's saved us £20 million!
    It's so simple to be wise; think of something stupid to say and don't say it
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:15 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    I may still be the only one to believe this but I was impressed with how Carrick and Jones performed together in the midfield and I think with Kagawa (a far more superior technical footballer) in front of both of them we could be sorted. Jones is more than capable of being our future destroyer while Carrick offers us a deep lying playmaker. I can see that lineup easily working. DDG-gk, Rafael-rb, Ferdinand/Smalling-cb, Vidic/Evans-cb, Evra/Baines-lb, Carrick/Anderson-cm, Jones/Scholes-cm, Kagawa/Cleverley-cam, Valencia/Nani-rm, Young/Nani-lm, Rooney/Welbeck/Hernandez-st.
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:12 PM

    Re: Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines would mean we're back in business.

    Brittain 10:
    Evra, who's better defensively than Baines
    You honestly believe this is true? Really have to disagree with you mate, Evra was shcokingly bad defensively for the last 2 seasons and I'm still trying to figure out WHY he had the armband - furious at that decision still.
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:10 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    Colonial Red:
    Brittain 10:
    Colonial Red:
    Brittain 10:
    Moyesy:
    volcom:
    martinez / yan m'vil***
    I dont think we will go for either, or that type of midfielder. If anyone, it will be someone to compliment Carrick, rather that those two who both play the Carrick role (all be it in a different way).
    Surely an alternative to Carrick would be necessary though? Imo none of our other midfielders plays that sort of game, meaning we need Carrick for EVERY match! The reason I and many stress for this M'Vila type player is to give us options and to ensure Carrick gets a rest as well as adding steel to our midfield!
    I agree and with Arsenal pulling out of a move for M'Villa it would make it all that much easier to swoop in for him. He and Carrick together would allow freedom to field players like Lucas, Kagawa, Nani and Rooney together.
    That's the jist of it yeah. It gives them that freedom so they don't have to keep looking over their shoulder. An enforcer would be brilliant imo, and if Arsenal have genuinely pulled out M'Vila's there for the taking. As for Lucas he ain't here yet by any means ;) I think we'll only get him if Nani leaves tbh.
    More of a hypothetical including Lucas in that list mate. ;-) I think there is a chance we could get him without selling Nani but if Nani were to be sold I'd say a deal for Lucas would be all but a certainty.
    Oh no don't get hypothetical! One of the first steps to disappointment! I really can't see us signing him and keeping Nani, there'd just be too much attacking talent, if he goes, which although I hope he doesn't, I'd like to think we could get £35 million at least for him, especially if Carthorse Carroll is worth that much. ;)
    It's so simple to be wise; think of something stupid to say and don't say it
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:06 PM

    Re: Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines would mean we're back in business.

    Rooney10Cam:
    Would this work George,is just one of the possibilities but it may be too attacking however Lucas does have defensive discipline.

    I dk mate, I think Rooney as the CM would be great, he tracks back quite a bit, and then we'll play Evra, who's better defensively than Baines, on lw with Nani as lb. Thoughts?
    It's so simple to be wise; think of something stupid to say and don't say it
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:06 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    Brittain 10:
    Colonial Red:
    Brittain 10:
    Moyesy:
    volcom:
    martinez / yan m'vil***
    I dont think we will go for either, or that type of midfielder. If anyone, it will be someone to compliment Carrick, rather that those two who both play the Carrick role (all be it in a different way).
    Surely an alternative to Carrick would be necessary though? Imo none of our other midfielders plays that sort of game, meaning we need Carrick for EVERY match! The reason I and many stress for this M'Vila type player is to give us options and to ensure Carrick gets a rest as well as adding steel to our midfield!
    I agree and with Arsenal pulling out of a move for M'Villa it would make it all that much easier to swoop in for him. He and Carrick together would allow freedom to field players like Lucas, Kagawa, Nani and Rooney together.
    That's the jist of it yeah. It gives them that freedom so they don't have to keep looking over their shoulder. An enforcer would be brilliant imo, and if Arsenal have genuinely pulled out M'Vila's there for the taking. As for Lucas he ain't here yet by any means ;) I think we'll only get him if Nani leaves tbh.
    More of a hypothetical including Lucas in that list mate. ;-) I think there is a chance we could get him without selling Nani but if Nani were to be sold I'd say a deal for Lucas would be all but a certainty.
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:03 PM

    Re: United close in on Lucas Moura deal(soccernet.espn)

    OMG he is a Mule...so much durability, its pretty impressive. i would sell nani/young/valenceia to get this old Ronaldo type of player(physic/talent)
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:03 PM

    Re: Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines would mean we're back in business.

    Evra stronger than Baines defesively? Epic facepalm, and PLEASE put paragraphs, I thought the monotony would never end.
    It's so simple to be wise; think of something stupid to say and don't say it
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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:03 PM

    Re: Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines would mean we're back in business.

    Would this work George,is just one of the possibilities but it may be too attacking however Lucas does have defensive discipline.

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  • 10 Jul 2012 3:00 PM

    Re: Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines would mean we're back in business.

    Any chance of paragraphs matey?
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