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  • 13 Jul 2012 11:58 AM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    im the man:
    Ferguson has also had the advantage of working for the world’s richest soccer club, meaning he can more or less buy and sell whoever he chooses

    shouldn't he get the credit for that?

    im the man:
    He’s often been accused of wasting money or overpaying for mediocre or injury-prone players, such as Rio Ferdinand, Owen Hargreaves, Bebe, and Gabriel Obertan
    RF was worth the money for the service over the years and OH looked a very good buy in the CL winning team of 2008.

    Best or not is a nother matter but I don't agree with some of the things stated in the artcile

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  • 13 Jul 2012 11:36 AM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    Sir Alex any day.
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  • 13 Jul 2012 11:28 AM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    mark.k.:
    SAF is the greatest England has ever seen or ever will see. He has built his teams from scratch and made them successful through his management style. MUFC is the most supported and most valuable club on the planet because of him. This is unquestionable. On years where United didn't win the league, they were always knocking on the door.

    The most important element is that he has brought his success over two and 1/2 decades. That's a sign of true greatness.

    I agree with you completely, i think the amount of sucess we have had only the last 25years is all down to Sir alex, like you said whenever we havnt won something we have either been close or not far off. The only thing people hold against sir alex is the fact he has only won 2 european titles with us but from what i have read european football was alot different in the days livepool won it, can someone give me an insight into how different the oppositition was back then compared to now if its at all possible. Unfornately i wasnt born back in the shankly/paisley era so i dont quite have a great knowledge of opposition from that era.
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  • 13 Jul 2012 10:52 AM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    SAF is the greatest England has ever seen or ever will see. He has built his teams from scratch and made them successful through his management style. MUFC is the most supported and most valuable club on the planet because of him. This is unquestionable. On years where United didn't win the league, they were always knocking on the door.

    The most important element is that he has brought his success over two and 1/2 decades. That's a sign of true greatness.

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  • 12 Jul 2012 7:10 PM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    im the man:
    jasper99:
    it cannot be ever ignored what bob paisley achieved at the dippers,but for me the foundations were already in place for them after shanklys tenure, it has got to be SAF,not only for his success up north,but the way he transformed our club almost singlehandedly from a club with a "big reputation" and the best history in the world into one of the most potent,successful,admired,record breaking football clubs of all time..
    But when you take into a count.Liverpool have 5 cl and villa has one and forest has two how can we be counted as the greatest ever team in english in europe. Yes in english football we are not in europe forest had more Cl cup than us for a long time
    lfc got 5,yes,but paisley got 3,the essence of you post was about him/SAF,i just feel SAF has made a greater impact on club management than him,,we are part of europe now mate and to my knowledge,nobody has won more league titles than us,or any other domestic cup (fa),and sweetest of all,our great man"s not done yet...
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  • 12 Jul 2012 7:04 PM

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    Here is a link to the original posting of this www.ftbpro.com/.../alex-ferguson-or-bob-paisley-who-s-the-greatest-european-club-manager-ever?...
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  • 12 Jul 2012 6:58 PM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    jasper99:
    it cannot be ever ignored what bob paisley achieved at the dippers,but for me the foundations were already in place for them after shanklys tenure, it has got to be SAF,not only for his success up north,but the way he transformed our club almost singlehandedly from a club with a "big reputation" and the best history in the world into one of the most potent,successful,admired,record breaking football clubs of all time..
    But when you take into a count.Liverpool have 5 cl and villa has one and forest has two how can we be counted as the greatest ever english team in europe. Yes in english football we are not in europe forest had more Cl cup than us for a long time
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  • 12 Jul 2012 6:47 PM

    Re: Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    it cannot be ever ignored what bob paisley achieved at the dippers,but for me the foundations were already in place for them after shanklys tenure, it has got to be SAF,not only for his success up north,but the way he transformed our club almost singlehandedly from a club with a "big reputation" and the best history in the world into one of the most potent,successful,admired,record breaking football clubs of all time..
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  • 12 Jul 2012 6:31 PM

    Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:

    There are two trains of thought when it comes to rating Manchester United’s Sir Alex Ferguson among the sport’s all-time greatest European club managers. There are those who say he’s the best manager ever hands-down, and those who say he should have won more with the squads and money he’s had. While it seems the Ferguson’s been at Manchester forever, joining the club in 1986, let’s not forget he enjoyed a fine managerial career in Scotland before that with East Stirling, Aberdeen, and St. Mirren, starting in 1974. When it comes to quantity there’s no arguing with Ferguson’s accomplishments. When you add in nine Charity Shields, I believe he’s won a total of 46 trophies during his career. This includes 12 Premier League crowns, four League Cups, five FA Cups, and two European Champions Leagues, and that’s just with United. In fact, he’s won just about every type of trophy possible with the club.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Ferguson managed Aberdeen between 1978 and 1986 where he won three Premier League titles, a Scottish League Cup, four Scottish FA Cups, a UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup, and a UEFA Super Cup. He’s managed well over 2,000 games in his career with a winning percentage of about 58 per cent compared to a loss percentage of about 19. But while the sheer number of trophies won is remarkable, it’s taken him close to 40 years to win them all. The European Cup is generally considered to be the ultimate prize for a European team and while Ferguson’s two cups are nothing to sneeze at, it’s taken him about a quarter of a century to win them............................................................................................................... Liverpool’s Bob Paisley reeled three of them in during a space of just five years between 1977 and 1981 at a time when it was much harder to qualify for the tournament. He's the only manager to ever win three European Cups. He also won six league titles. In total, Paisley won 14 trophies in nine years at Liverpool, which is a better rate than Ferguson’s. Other great British managers include Jock Stein, Matt Busby, Brian Clough, and Bill Shankly, but aren’t really in the same league as Ferguson and Paisley when it comes to winning trophies. As for other European managers, Miguel Munoz won nine League titles and two European Cups with Real Madrid between 1960 and 1974. Carlo Ancelotti, Nereo Rocco, and Arrigo Sacchi each won two European Cups at Milan while Jose Mourinho, Helenio Herrera, Bela Guttman, and Vicente Del Bosque all won two of them with different teams................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Ferguson’s detractors point to the fact he’s lost more trophies than he’s won. Which may seem to be an odd argument, but they’re referring to the numerous cup games United could or should have won, but threw away. This includes several losses to some of England’s lower-level clubs in FA and League Cup games. There were many occasions where Ferguson didn’t even dress his club’s top players and ended up being knocked out of competitions because of it. Ferguson has also had the advantage of working for the world’s richest soccer club, meaning he can more or less buy and sell whoever he chooses. He’s often been accused of wasting money or overpaying for mediocre or injury-prone players, such as Rio Ferdinand, Owen Hargreaves, Bebe, and Gabriel Obertan. There’s always going to be a huge debate when it comes to Ferguson’s ranking and both sides come up with some solid arguments and facts. Like many other things, it’s all in the eye of the beholder. But whatever way you look at it, two European Cups in 25 years is still better than none.Who's the greatest European club manager ever .Alex Ferguson or Bob Paisley:
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