donald p to sign for united:

In all honesty, the squad is a lot bigger than it was in the past when youngsters got more of a look in at an early age. A bigger squad means more senior players like Berbatov, Owen, Park etc will need to get some sort of action in Carling Cup games. Even then some of the youngsters did get some gametime last season - Morrison, Keane, Pogba, Fryers, Cole etc.

Also, comparisons to Barcelona aren't proper. Their youth system is arguably the best in the world and have a B team to help their progress. Not to mention that it is much easier to ease in a youngster in a side which excels so well at possession football. There is a much less possibility of the player being badly exposed if the team is having more than 70% of the ball.

Warren Joyce has already hinted at a thin reserves team next season. This could mean that some players could be more involved in the first team or that they could go on loan. Sam Johnstone could make a start in the Carling Cup since Amos has gone on loan.

I agree with this. It was tough to introduce young players last season due to the lack of quality, and the excess of average players. What I'm hoping for: to have a good look at Robbie Brady over the preseason tour. If he's playing really well, keep him with us for the season and see how he does vs Evra. If he still needs work developing, try loan him to a premiership club. Same story with Petrucci. We have quite a few options in midfield at the moment (Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverly, Ando, Powell) so being 7th choice CM'er isnt a great option. I'd personally prefer to see Petrucci making more appearances than Giggs/Scholes this season, and seeing Carrick + Cleverly starting in midfield but SAF usually likes to have Scholes or/and Giggs on the bench or starting so I don't see many oppurtunities for Petrucci unless he has a storming preseason. A loan option in the EPL would be good for him too. Good options would be Wigan or Swansea [play good,flowing football] or maybe Villa or Norwich as I think Lambert/Hughton are good managers. On the reserve side of things, might be good for us possibly as we have some really bright talent in the Academy. Andreas Pereira, Mats Daehli and James Wilson are the big 3 to look out for this season in my opinion - and have them all playing reserve football aswell as in the Youth Cup could be good for their experience and growth.

bwk:

i just dont know why everybody is saying it....

to all the fools thinking SAF is showing lack of faith towards our academy should know that there is nobody in this world who knows better than SAF when our youth is really are ready to challange the ultimate level...if SAF is not giving opportunities to our youth it clearify means that they are not ready for the first team yet... no offence...why aint you the manager of United if you know better than SAF about the youth??....nuff said..

I tell you what, why don't you stfu as you clearly don't know what you're talking about. SAF already said pogba was ready and said he needed to give him first team opportunities(check our the article link on the first page) then contradicted himself and went back on his word. He isn't perfect, he makes mistake, more now than ever before. So get off his d**k and look at the facts.

manumike7:

Sir Alex Ferguson has shown lack of faith towards our academy players for the last 15 years. He makes them wait until they turn 21, to give them regular games in the Premiership and bit must be annoying for some of the players who know they are talented enough to play consistently for our first team. This is probably the reason Pogba (19) and Fryers (19) have both left us to go to another big club that will probably give them more chances to show what they have to offer. The only teenagers we give a chance to play regular games are the ones we buy like Jones, the Da Silva twins, Rooney and Ronaldo, who were all thrown in the deep end before they joined us at ages 16/17 in big leagues. We supposedly have some of the best young players in our academy, therefore there must be some players in our academy who would shine, if thrown into the first team right now . Instead of buying somebody like the 18 year old Jetro Willems to fill in as our backup left back, we could easily give Tyler Blackett ( also 18) a chance. He definitely has the skill and athleticism to handle the Premier League. However, I would make sure Ryan Tunnicliffe goes on loan because he had a disappointing loan at Peterborough, plus he needs to sharpen his technical ability. Davide Petrucci, Will Keane and Robbie Brady on the other hand are talented enough to play games for the first team and should be given a chance this season. The unfortunate thing about this season is that we have lost our two best prospects this summer in Pogba and Fryers. Hopefully Powell can replace Pogba well. We need fullbacks and maybe throwing Tyler Blackett in the deep end will be very beneficial.

1st off, Fryers was certainly not good enough to be a starter and neither was Pogba (though he should have got more game time). 2nd I will guarantee you they will get no more time at their current clubs than they did at Utd in fact prob less. Fryers would imo never have amounted to anything so I don't know why people are so sad that we lost him, Pogba could hve been fantastic but when anyone disrespects our club they deserve to go, I'm glad he's gone and he'll soon find what a terrible mistake he has made, his career will rot slowly over time.

I agree on your point about us playing bought players more than our promising young players and I believe this should be changed. On Tunnicliffe I completely disagree, I believe he will play more than any of the youngsters you have mentioned this season, Peterborough didn't play him enough anyway, I guarantee you, if he stays and plays for Utd this season, he will impress, his style is exactly what we need and will allow his development to occur at speedy rate.

I'd be interested to see if Brady can play left back for us, he impressed me when he played there for the reserves, his jumping is insane. Very technical player, could make a great young wing back, of course his best position is the wing but considering the competition there he would prob be better adapting to a different role. W. Keane would have been heavily involved imo if not for his injury, Petrucci now that we seem not to be buying a cm will prob stay though I'm unsure if he will get many games, I think a Premier League move would have been better for him (it may be hard to find a club for him though)

I believe Blackett should be our 3rd choice lb, he is extremely talented going forward and also very competant in defence. Not going to be our 2nd choice this season but when we have finished with Bsaines he will be our 2nd choice to Fabio. Very good young player, I have high hopes for him (btw he was far more talented than Fryers anyway so I don't know why you're upset with him leaving)

In all honesty, the squad is a lot bigger than it was in the past when youngsters got more of a look in at an early age. A bigger squad means more senior players like Berbatov, Owen, Park etc will need to get some sort of action in Carling Cup games. Even then some of the youngsters did get some gametime last season - Morrison, Keane, Pogba, Fryers, Cole etc.

Also, comparisons to Barcelona aren't proper. Their youth system is arguably the best in the world and have a B team to help their progress. Not to mention that it is much easier to ease in a youngster in a side which excels so well at possession football. There is a much less possibility of the player being badly exposed if the team is having more than 70% of the ball.

Warren Joyce has already hinted at a thin reserves team next season. This could mean that some players could be more involved in the first team or that they could go on loan. Sam Johnstone could make a start in the Carling Cup since Amos has gone on loan.

i just dont know why everybody is saying it....

to all the fools thinking SAF is showing lack of faith towards our academy should know that there is nobody in this world who knows better than SAF when our youth is really are ready to challange the ultimate level...if SAF is not giving opportunities to our youth it clearify means that they are not ready for the first team yet... no offence...why aint you the manager of United if you know better than SAF about the youth??....nuff said..

Morrison only played once in west ham and that's only as a sub in 80th. pffftt he got the chance in Man Utd in carling cup already. well, well done Money Morrison From Man Utd reserve to West Ham Reserve. Good choice. if They are ready they will get the chances. They are talented but arrogance and only want money when still hasn't reach 20

manumike7:

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs were teenagers when they started playing regular games for the first team. Since then we have not allowed any teenagers from our academy to have regular games in our first team. Since then all the teenagers that have had regular games for the first team have been bought from other clubs.

but the important thing you seem to be failing to see is that Neville was the best right back we had and giggsy even at 17/18 was the best left winger we had. That and that alone is why they played, not to give them a game to bring them on in their career, it was cos they were the best available. Pogba, Morrison were not as good as 6 or 7 players we had in their positions so why would they play regularly?? They shoulda him on loan knuckled down and strived to improve. They chose not to so more fool them.

If their good enough they'll play, if their not they won't. That is it. Scholes n becks weren't good enough till they were 20 so didn't play till later than the likes of giggsy who was good enough at 17 and so played then. None of these players were given sympathy games or played just because they were young it was down to the fact that they were the best we had in their positions when they got regular games. Pogba dint play cos we had better options likewise Morrison and co. Fergie not just gona play them cos they young, they gota b good enough, u can't weaken your team to give sympathy games to players which is effectively wot we wuda had to do and seemingly wot a few morons think we should hav done.

boyd1982:

players will make into united teams from the academy thats just life not everyone is good enough but players will get there chance look at cleverly welbeck maceda keane who have already featured in first tean, we have the likes of cole and tunicliffe on the verge of the first team who can you say saf does not trust in youth

Yeah Bro That's right!! Macheda might won't be good but he still has talented after all he scored and played when he was 17 years old. He stopped improve probably because he lazy to train, he might think he's good already after score his first goal for the victory and EPL winning goal. Evans, Welbeck and Cleverley get their chances. The other will get too if they want be patient and Train hard, Improve and Show to his Boss if they can do in 1st team. The next season Will Keane!!

manumike7:

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs were teenagers when they started playing regular games for the first team. Since then we have not allowed any teenagers from our academy to have regular games in our first team. Since then all the teenagers that have had regular games for the first team have been bought from other clubs.

Garry Neville 17/18 Years old 1 games in 1st team. 18/19 Years old only 2 games 19/20 years old he played about 20s. Ryan Giggs is different player!! Please!! I will say this again: Messi, Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs are players that will be hard and so rare to find again. So hard!! Please don't compare Giggs and Pogba. I have seen he played, Talented Boy but different level with Giggs.

Scholes is the man:

therealry:

If he thinks they are ready he should give them some time, if not, well then no he shouldn't. If there are other issues (IE Morrison's behavior) that get in the way, then that has to be taken into account, not sure but did he get much time at West Ham after he went there?

Morrison didn't get any playing time at all, may have been on the bench but that was it.

Morrison had issues.

not all players will make into united teams from the academy thats just life not everyone is good enough but players will get there chance look at cleverly welbeck maceda keane who have already featured in first tean, we have the likes of cole and tunicliffe on the verge of the first team who can you say saf does not trust in youth

forevergiggs:

me23:

I agree with this.

Arsenal and Barca play 16 year olds sometimes and we dont even give the chance to our 19 year olds.SAF made a big mistake with Pogba,he should have started ALOT of games last season consider all our injuries but he was stuck at the bench throughout the season.It was frustrating to see Rafael giving the nod to play CM when we played Blackburn.

SAF says we are all about the youth but he better start showing it before they all flee.

We are all about youth but unfortunately they're bought, i'm not any one to question SAF, he has made us what we are, but sometimes he does make me think.

@me23. pffftt don't make me laugh! Tell me who's the 16?? Non in Arsenal. Neither in Barca (Well not sure about Messi) But Players like Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs are so rare to be found!!

caedus1:

jsmhe:

Hey Hey man!! Watch out with what you just said!! Sir Alex knows more than you!!! This is the Young Players from Academic problem!! Let's *** another example. Barcelona. They have a good youth academic as well. Let's pick one player that just played for first team from B team or academic. Thiago. He starts play in 1st team On 17 May 2009, aged 18 years old, which mean around the end of season where Barca already win the La Liga. The following Next Season 2009/2010 19 Years old only play 2 games, 2010/2011 20 years old played 17 games. and 2011/2012 45 games. Of course those games are including as coming from the bench. Look Pogba even played more than Thiago in 1st team when he was 18/19 Fryers also played more when he was same age with Thiago in 19 years old. You can also look at other Barcelona young players, They got the same. We still give more chance better than Barcelona do. Our Young players don't patient like Spanish players, never trust the Manager!! May be we should change the name of Manchester United reserve become Manchester United B so they don't feel ashamed being Reserve.

Well, Thiago has to fight against Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas for starting spot. Pogba had to fight against 219420157563179i84091 year old Scholes and Carrick. We dont give more chances than Barca, Tello, Cuenca play often for young guys. Jonathan Dos Santos, Montoya, Bartra etc will join them. Dont forget majority of their starting 11[9players if Dani and Sanchez start] came through their academy. They can field team full of LaMasia products and still win most of the games. Our youth products in the starting 11 are Giggs, Scholes, Evans, add young [who were u21at the time of deal] 1st team players we bought: Rooney, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, De Gea and its still not even full eleven. Some of you seriously overhype our academy because of the class of 92.

Scholes is better than Xavi!! He has much better passing accuracy than Xavi, Xavi might more skillful than scholes but talk about pass Scholes is the best (Long and short range) Even his shot is better than Xavi. If you said that and Pogba decide to move Juventus when Their midfield are Really really amazing, i don't think Pogba will get chance to play, even if he gets probably due of his age. He only wants money!! We give him chances already, Even Scholes didn't play in 1st team when he was 18/19. He started to played 19/20 about 20s games. Players like Scholes, Giggs, Messi, ROnaldo, Rooney are different. Sir Alex knows what he's doing!! He has more experience than you guys. Look you guys even think Sir Alex is not even good enough on Youth Academic. Well, The Youth Academic are the players that don't respect on the manager. Just because Sir Alex is old and No style, Not young, discipline the young don't want follow the old order. They are arrogance. Spanish are different! They want to play for game and after they prove them self they get the money. They are patient enough, They are skillful. Especially We are playing in EPL, The toughest League, Young academic has to know that. This is not La Liga that only has 2 teams compete for it.

manumike7:

jshme you are wrong because Barcelona give a lot of chances to their youth such as Cristian Tello and Isaac Cuenca this year. Jonathan Dos Santos, Marc Batra, Martin Montoya and Andreu Fontas last year,.Thiago and Pedro they year before. Young players get promoted into their first team from their academy every season.

Hahahahaha!! You are Wrong too much buddy!! Look!! Tello is 20 Years old (This year will be 21) He played 22 games last season. And He starts play last season as well. He was from Barca academic and end up as Espanyol academic!! and promote to Espanyol B in 2010 and moved to Barcelona B as well in the same year. Sorry but Barcelona B and Academic are different!! B is like the reserve. Next Player Isaac Cuenca. He was in Academic 2009/2010 and then promote to be Loan in Sabadell 2010/2011. 2011/2012 He went to Barcelona B again, and half season he being promote in 1st team with 30 Games when he is 21 years old! Jonathan Dos Santos. He is 22 Years old. Academic 2002-2009. Barcelona B: 2009-2012. Played 6 games in 2009/2010 1st team. Played 5 games in 2010/2011. played 8 games in 2011/2012. and he is 22 Years old now started play in 1st team 20 years old. Marc Bartra 21 Years Old his career Youth: 2002-2009. Promote in Barcelona B: 2009-2012. He managed to play since 2010-2012 only 8 games (3 seasons). Martín Montoya 21 years old. Barcelonad B 2009-2012. in 2010-2011 he played 2x in 1st team which mean when he was 20. He played 10x 2011/2012 which means 21 years old. Andreu Fontàs 23 years old. 2009/2010 2x 2010/2011 8 times 2011/2012 6 times. Pedro started played in 2007-2008 when he was 19/20 years old and only 2 games in that season, Pogba 18/19 years old had more games!! Look!!! We give more chances to the players when they are still 20 or 19 years old or bellow. Youth Players in Our Academic are arrogance. They also only want money! Why Would Pogba pick Juventus, he thinks he can beat pirlo, marchisio, vidal and other Sub?? Juventus just bought another midfield again i forgot the name and that's it clear Pogba wants money he bull talk about 1st team playing. Fryers another idiot, I heard he moves to Spurs? Well, There is Ekotto (forgot how to wrote his name), don't make me laugh, Evra is 30s Ekotto is not 30 yet. This shows Our Youth only wants Money and Don't trust the Manager Sir Alex. They are arrogance, they think they are special like Ronaldo, Messi, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Xavi