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Manchester United Community » ManUtd.com » Transfer Speculation » We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.
  • 26 Jul 2012 3:06 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    Brittain 10:
    Rennes apparently want £12 million for Yann M'Vila, why not him?
    I wouldnt sign m'villa, hes abit of a trouble maker but the main reason is hes nothing special.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 2:51 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    Walters_14_MuFc:
    At the end of the day SAF is the gaffer. I agree our priority should be a centre mdfielder, but If SAF wants to buy wingers he'll buy wingers. Who knows, we might not play with any centre midfielders next season and just wingers lol.
    Some one the other day said 'who are you to question fergie in buying players'. In relation to central midfielders and his past record in the market i believe im in the right to question this. To which I got the usual response 'What about Roy Keane and Scholes?' I replied that Scholes was an academy player that Fergie in fact didn't think would make it in top flight football and was in favour of Nicky Butt instead. It was Brian Kidd that made sure Scholes got into the team. Not Fergie. As for Keane. Sure he was the biggest player in the league at the time at Notts Forest. Blackburn and Liverpool all wanted him but Utd had to break the uk transfer record to get him. Thats what i'm in favour of now. Fergie isn't able to buy potential in relation to Midfielders unlike wingers and should do what he did in the past and buy high end midfielders just like he did with Keane. It will be much cheaper in the long run. Is it a case he is afraid to make a mistake in the market again with Midfielders. He gets it right with wingers. He should really consult what the experienced players think. I can't imagine Scholes and Giggs saying not to get midfielder. Then again maybe they are. More game time!
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  • 26 Jul 2012 2:47 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    of course we need to address the cm situation but some of you are barking as if we were poor in the last three years.. Just a reminder, in the last three we reached a champs league final, won the premiership, losing the league by a point and by gd.. That was not the cm situation, it was because we are good.. How can you buy a player like modriv for 40m , thats insane.. Instead we should know that we had a good start last season but only for fletcher, cleverly and anderson to get injured...
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  • 26 Jul 2012 2:41 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    At the end of the day SAF is the gaffer. I agree our priority should be a centre mdfielder, but If SAF wants to buy wingers he'll buy wingers. Who knows, we might not play with any centre midfielders next season and just wingers lol.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 2:37 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    eddie moroney:
    89cruefan2:
    Problem is with the modern game, hard tackling mids like Keano arent as needed anymore. Yes you need a midfielder who can tackle and win the ball, however tackling like Keano used to do is starting to go out of the game which is a shame really
    Don't agree with that assessment in relation to Roy Keane. Defensive midfielders are the one that are obsolete. Why? Because they don't have enough in their game apart from tackling to effect a match. Basically dead weight. Box to box midfielders are the rage. Modern day versions of Keane are De Rossi, Martinez, Sergio (Not as good though), Schweinstieger (at times), Essien, Ramires, Supposedly Strootman (can't vouch for him because haven't seen him in a full match), Cambiasso, Mutinho (not a top player in this position), Yaya toure. These guys have big engines, tackle well but most importantly use the ball well when they get it. Box to box midfielders have been big as they have ever been. It's their sub standard cousin the defensive midfielder such as Macherano, Diarra's M'villa's, Lucas are nul and void because they don't have much to offer other than defending. Martinez would be the perfect acquisition for Utd as he is world class in all departments of a box to box midfielder. £32 million and guaranteed football in league and Champions league will go a long way to getting his interest. Its worth going for.
    I totally agree that box to box midfielders have become increasingly popular, essentially because you're getting two players in one. If we manage to get Lucas Moura I can see Nani leaving. Some mad team like PSG would probably pay around £40 million, and as Rennes apparently want £12 million for Yann M'Vila, why not him? Great young talent who'd add steel to the midfield as well as pushing forward. It gives Carrick the opportunity to rest, and we're too dependent on him atm.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 2:31 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    89cruefan2:
    Problem is with the modern game, hard tackling mids like Keano arent as needed anymore. Yes you need a midfielder who can tackle and win the ball, however tackling like Keano used to do is starting to go out of the game which is a shame really
    Don't agree with that assessment in relation to Roy Keane. Defensive midfielders are the one that are obsolete. Why? Because they don't have enough in their game apart from tackling to effect a match. Basically dead weight. Box to box midfielders are the rage. Modern day versions of Keane are De Rossi, Martinez, Sergio (Not as good though), Schweinstieger (at times), Essien, Ramires, Supposedly Strootman (can't vouch for him because haven't seen him in a full match), Cambiasso, Mutinho (not a top player in this position), Yaya toure. These guys have big engines, tackle well but most importantly use the ball well when they get it. Box to box midfielders have been big as they have ever been. It's their sub standard cousin the defensive midfielder such as Macherano, Diarra's M'villa's, Lucas are nul and void because they don't have much to offer other than defending. Martinez would be the perfect acquisition for Utd as he is world class in all departments of a box to box midfielder. £32 million and guaranteed football in league and Champions league will go a long way to getting his interest. Its worth going for.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 12:02 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    eddie moroney:
    I thought of all years, this year would finally be the year the club actually sorts out central midfield. I mean over the last 4 years Utd's Achilles heel has been the middle of the park. Every Utd fan, opposition fan, opposition coach, manager, pundit, sport writers and celebrities have stated that this is where Utd struggle. If it was sorted like last year you could argue it could have been the tipping point we needed to win the league. What we understand from last season; both domestically and in Europe, surely it was a matter of getting the best their is to fill this coveted position. Nope, instead we have gone into the market for more wingers. WINGERS! First Hazard then Moura. Did we not just buy Ashley young last season. Do we not have Valencia and Nani. Did we not also buy Bebe and Obertan in the previous seasons. What is this obsession with WINGERS! I just don't get it how other fans on this forum are not perplexed by the club looking for more wingers. Of all the positions in the team you would think this is well and truly stocked. People coming on here stating Hazard can play through the middle and Moura can do the same. NO they can't. We need competency in this position not slapdash. None of those players have passing in their locker. None of them can play in the middle of the park in a way a Paul Scholes can or a Roy Keane did. Thats the type of player the club should and has to be addressing. Stop p.i.s.s.i.n.g about with wingers. It's embarrassing. To the point now that it looks like they are avoiding central midfield. The whole case of Turnicliffe, Powell and Petrucci should not be a reason. Last season not one word was said about them. But as soon as Morrison and Pogba left they are automatically viable options to start in the first team. Those three players will not be full senior players for another 3 years at least and thats if they are good enough to start in the first team. The club needs to cop on in my opinion and deal with what is necessary to the team. Central midfield is priority everything else is a distant 2nd to this issue.
    mate I put out a post few days ago 'is sir alex addicted to wingers'!!!..It seems he is.. we need a centre mid and have done for a while. Theres nothing more to add to that.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 11:19 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    89cruefan2:
    Yes we could use a CM but the problem is finding 1) An available quality CM 2) A CM who actually wants to come to United 3) A CM who isnt going to cost the earth
    WWM:
    The OP has a point. We actually never replaced Keane and it showed last year.
    Problem is with the modern game, hard tackling mids like Keano arent as needed anymore. Yes you need a midfielder who can tackle and win the ball, however tackling like Keano used to do is starting to go out of the game which is a shame really
    There are plenty of CM's available that can do the job. Don't fool yourself into thinking the Modric or Martinez are the only ones. If we were ready to spend money then there are the right players available. But with the interest in RVP and Moura, I really don't know what goes on in the manager's head. May be he thinks that Ando and Cleverley need another chance to prove themselves. Though it could be a risky situation and we could land in a soup like we did last year.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 11:06 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    Yes we could use a CM but the problem is finding 1) An available quality CM 2) A CM who actually wants to come to United 3) A CM who isnt going to cost the earth
    WWM:
    The OP has a point. We actually never replaced Keane and it showed last year.
    Problem is with the modern game, hard tackling mids like Keano arent as needed anymore. Yes you need a midfielder who can tackle and win the ball, however tackling like Keano used to do is starting to go out of the game which is a shame really
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  • 26 Jul 2012 10:58 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    eddie moroney:
    we have gone into the market for more wingers. WINGERS!
    AV was player of the year last season and Nani before that. United have always been good while spreading play with strong attacking options from the wings. So its not bad to have 4 wingers for 2 positions, is it? Also, United might not necessarily play 442 in all the matches next term.

    Your concern being CM is another issue and maybe (I do agree with you there even if it is a stop-gap replacement while the youngsters develop) should be top target and possibly is on SAF's priority too. All you can do is to wait and see. The season begins in August and ends in May allowing for ample time to moan.

    eddie moroney:
    What is this obsession with WINGERS!
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  • 26 Jul 2012 10:47 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    eddie moroney:
    Generaldiehardmamba:
    We have decent players, but none of them really standing out as world class. They are the future , the likes of larnell,lingard etc. But , what about now. We have been poor in midfield for the last 3 or so years.
    I completely agree. Holding out for players in the reserves doesn't make sense for the present. No one saying they wont make it. But they wont be in the first team for this season. In the 3 years while they develop into rounded players for the first team why can't we have a world class midfielder playing those years.
    I know what you mean, to me SAF is using Scholes/Giggs as bridging players rather than buying an established CM, and easing younger players in.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 10:39 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    The OP has a point. We actually never replaced Keane and it showed last year.
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  • 26 Jul 2012 10:24 AM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    eddie moroney:
    stretford77:
    Powell possibly Tunni and Petrucci.
    Apart from small cameos from Powell (Maybe) i cant see Tunnicliffe and Petrucci getting any game time in the league for Utd. Lets not forget this is central midfield. Everything goes through them (thats if your anyway good). i can see Carrick, Scholes alternating with Cleverly, Anderson when; when not injured every other game. I can also see Jones be played in the middle of the park ( which for me is a disaster) and at some point Rooney as well. Kagawa maybe forced to play in central midfield earlier than expected.
    No sure why you would think that, if your good enough your old enough.

    They will get chances, all they have to do is take them, I won't be suprised to see Powell, Tunni getting the pick over Ando in the near future if he doesn't improve his game. Doubt Jones will feature in cm much next season probably rb/cb, can't see Kagawa in there either unless due to injuries.

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  • 25 Jul 2012 7:09 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    bwk:
    Dont get me wrong...i would love to have a player like Martinez or Modric here...but it just doesnt look realistic...
    Agreed
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  • 25 Jul 2012 4:38 PM

    Re: We need to address an issue thats been waiting for 4 years.

    stretford77:
    Powell possibly Tunni and Petrucci.
    Apart from small cameos from Powell (Maybe) i cant see Tunnicliffe and Petrucci getting any game time in the league for Utd. Lets not forget this is central midfield. Everything goes through them (thats if your anyway good). i can see Carrick, Scholes alternating with Cleverly, Anderson when; when not injured every other game. I can also see Jones be played in the middle of the park ( which for me is a disaster) and at some point Rooney as well. Kagawa maybe forced to play in central midfield earlier than expected.
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