Captain Marvel No.7:

With Moura, do you honestly think United would pay anywhere near £45m for a player? There's no way we agreed a fee for him if he was sold at that price, no chance.

scottybecks:

ronan99:

scottybecks:

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

I'm not saying we have a bottomless pit of money, like barca (who are in more debt than us I believe?), Real, City or PSG... But, we do have financial muscle. We just wont pay stupid fee's or wages as it would decimate the wage structure at the club. For example, we had agreed terms and fee's for both Moura and Hazard - agreed what we thought they were worth. If we were to then turn around and match Chelski's offer of reportedly 220k/week for Hazard, whats to stop Wellbeck, Chicha, Nani and Vidic demanding 200k/week deals? We operate within our means, but we've also had 2 30+mil offers turned down. So I wouldnt say we were a shrinking violet...

we don't have financial muscle, we buy players from the second tier because we can't persuade or afford the very top players. it seems to me that fergie thinks only rooney is worth 220k a week.

We may have to agree to disagree here.. We're not the sort of club to go and spend 100+ mil in one window, but we spent near on 60mil last summer, we've spent nearly 20 mil this summer (up till now) and had 2 x 30mil bids turned down.... I must say though, I'm glad we 'missed out' on Moura and Hazard, as it free's up money to invest where we really need it.

The chances of United spending money on transfers this summer has probably risen dramatically , because can you imagine the fans reaction if we dont spend money now ?

Fergie cannot exactly go down the " value in the market / agent fees " and then back the owners for pulling out $75m !

ronan99:

scottybecks:

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

I'm not saying we have a bottomless pit of money, like barca (who are in more debt than us I believe?), Real, City or PSG... But, we do have financial muscle. We just wont pay stupid fee's or wages as it would decimate the wage structure at the club. For example, we had agreed terms and fee's for both Moura and Hazard - agreed what we thought they were worth. If we were to then turn around and match Chelski's offer of reportedly 220k/week for Hazard, whats to stop Wellbeck, Chicha, Nani and Vidic demanding 200k/week deals? We operate within our means, but we've also had 2 30+mil offers turned down. So I wouldnt say we were a shrinking violet...

we don't have financial muscle, we buy players from the second tier because we can't persuade or afford the very top players. it seems to me that fergie thinks only rooney is worth 220k a week.

ronan99:

scottybecks:

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

I'm not saying we have a bottomless pit of money, like barca (who are in more debt than us I believe?), Real, City or PSG... But, we do have financial muscle. We just wont pay stupid fee's or wages as it would decimate the wage structure at the club. For example, we had agreed terms and fee's for both Moura and Hazard - agreed what we thought they were worth. If we were to then turn around and match Chelski's offer of reportedly 220k/week for Hazard, whats to stop Wellbeck, Chicha, Nani and Vidic demanding 200k/week deals? We operate within our means, but we've also had 2 30+mil offers turned down. So I wouldnt say we were a shrinking violet...

we don't have financial muscle, we buy players from the second tier because we can't persuade or afford the very top players. it seems to me that fergie thinks only rooney is worth 220k a week.

ronan99:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

nope it isn't easy being the devils spokesperson maybe if he had pride he wouldn't be such a sell out. Fergie has gone down in my estimation after publicly backing these crooks, he should have said nothing. we won't be signing van persie we will pretend we are interest but we wont meet the asking price..fergie can always say we tried but there is no value in the market.

scottybecks:

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

I'm not saying we have a bottomless pit of money, like barca (who are in more debt than us I believe?), Real, City or PSG... But, we do have financial muscle. We just wont pay stupid fee's or wages as it would decimate the wage structure at the club. For example, we had agreed terms and fee's for both Moura and Hazard - agreed what we thought they were worth. If we were to then turn around and match Chelski's offer of reportedly 220k/week for Hazard, whats to stop Wellbeck, Chicha, Nani and Vidic demanding 200k/week deals? We operate within our means, but we've also had 2 30+mil offers turned down. So I wouldnt say we were a shrinking violet...

ronan99:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

nope it isn't easy being the devils spokesperson maybe if he had pride he wouldn't be such a sell out. FERGIE HAS GONE DOWN IN MY ESTIMATION AFTER PUBLICLY BACKING THESE CROOKS.

Captain Marvel No.7:

scottybecks:

Manchester1989Utd:

'aiming to' is the stand out bit of that post heading. It will be the same old *** come the end of summer I bet, I think although Van Persie would probably favour United over City for the sentimental value and success this club can bring players. But we'll do as we have done all summer and back down right at the end of the transfer saga, It honestly wouldn't suprise me if the whole failing with Hazard and Moura was a huge cover up, where we went into negotiations with a view to lose out on both players, in order to give the fans false hope on signings over summer, then come the end of the transfer window when we have no more signings as 'promised' there will be another cover up, which in secret, as usual we just didn't have the money. I'm not saying a fee indicates the success or quality of the player a club signs but its strange how the less expensive deals we always manage to see all the way through but the expensive assets we always hit a snag, seems a bit of a coinsidence when it happens on two ocassions in one summer

Moura's agent clearly stated that a fee had been agreed, and wages had also been agreed, we were just waiting for him to sign the dotted line... So your conspiracy theory is up in smoke. Also, we had agreed the fee and wages with Hazard, but again, he opted to go elsewhere. There isnt much more we can do really. How can you continue to negotiate, when all parties are in agreement? And again, this RVP fiasco is down to Wenger and his clowns. We cant negotiate if they don't come back with a counter offer......

We hadnt agreed a fee for Hazard though, Fergie said he thought Hazard was a good player but not worth £34m. He also said our valuation of him was way below that so how is that agreeing a fee?

With Moura, do you honestly think United would pay anywhere near £45m for a player? There's no way we agreed a fee for him if he was sold at that price, no chance.

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

Captain Marvel No.7:

bw.k:

DjibrilCisse:

David Gill looks like he has aged about 20 years over the summer. People can say what they like, but his job isn't easy.

agree...aint easy at all...

You two are right, his job isnt easy.

Basically he's the Chief Executive of one of the biggest football clubs in the world and every deal he negotiates he is penny pinching wherever he can on United's behalf. Is that his fault? No, but the sh1t that comes out of his mouth makes people think United have the financial muscle to compete for the best players. Putting it simply, they dont.

scottybecks:

Manchester1989Utd:

'aiming to' is the stand out bit of that post heading. It will be the same old *** come the end of summer I bet, I think although Van Persie would probably favour United over City for the sentimental value and success this club can bring players. But we'll do as we have done all summer and back down right at the end of the transfer saga, It honestly wouldn't suprise me if the whole failing with Hazard and Moura was a huge cover up, where we went into negotiations with a view to lose out on both players, in order to give the fans false hope on signings over summer, then come the end of the transfer window when we have no more signings as 'promised' there will be another cover up, which in secret, as usual we just didn't have the money. I'm not saying a fee indicates the success or quality of the player a club signs but its strange how the less expensive deals we always manage to see all the way through but the expensive assets we always hit a snag, seems a bit of a coinsidence when it happens on two ocassions in one summer

Moura's agent clearly stated that a fee had been agreed, and wages had also been agreed, we were just waiting for him to sign the dotted line... So your conspiracy theory is up in smoke. Also, we had agreed the fee and wages with Hazard, but again, he opted to go elsewhere. There isnt much more we can do really. How can you continue to negotiate, when all parties are in agreement? And again, this RVP fiasco is down to Wenger and his clowns. We cant negotiate if they don't come back with a counter offer......

With Moura, do you honestly think United would pay anywhere near £45m for a player? There's no way we agreed a fee for him if he was sold at that price, no chance.