4-4-2:

I must not be making myself clear on the topic.  I am not discussing the defenders or the keeper. I know that once it arrives in the box then the defenders do their job and the attack do their job. Of that I am fully aware. It is just that in a lot of cases it appears not to ever arrive in the box in the first place.Thats all.

Round ball, the shape of ones foot  , people are not perfect, pretty much all the things that should be obvious to anyone who has ever kicked a football.

Or as I have been saying all along.....if so many professionals have issues with it, then obviously the mistake on is in ASSUMING IT IS EASY.

Clear enough for you?

Hi 4-4-2 !

I made mention of this in one of my earliest threads in 2007 as I noticed, other than Ryan Giggs there is hardly anyone who can kick a good corner. When Ryan Giggs is not on the field, I always wonder who's going to take those kicks. Rooney, Hargreaves, Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Valencia and others have taken them, but save one or two good crosses, all the rest have been appalling.

Corner kicks are very important. Many teams score from corner kicks and we've scored a good lot in the past too. Ryan Giggs will most probably hang up his boots at the end of this season, but then if we do not have someone to replace him so far as 'kicking corner kicks ' is concerned, then we'll definitely have a problem.

The player taking the corner kick does not necessarily have to place the ball on the head of his team mate. No! -- Absolutely not! But he can cross it at a reachable height if ever he intends his team mate to head it. 

In Giggs's absence, I've so often seen the' supposed cross' from the corner, not even flying past the first defender. And at times, if that player's initial corner kicks failed to reach the first upright, the ones that follow are kicked with so much power that they fly and drop nearer the other corner flag rather than the second upright.

If they can hit very short and very long ones, I'm sure with some proper training they'll be able to kick some good ones.

Cheers!

I cant stand it when we cant put a good ball in the box. I really hate it when we play the ball short and that person either loses it or puts in a bad ball in the box

ET 7:

 who said best in teh world?

Nani does things with a ball that any "human" according to you can dream of  but he has a success rate of crossing a ball nearly 1 for every 10.  Thats, um...pathetic; don't you think? Considering he is about to get 10 million extension for some reason.

 If thats the case, pay me 1 mill and i'll do all the step overs in the world for you.

I think you didn't get what I'm trying to say. 

My point is, mastering the art of crossing the ball consistently well and taking great corners isn't as easy as it seems. In fact, in comparison to doing stepovers and fanciful dribbles, there are even fewer players who can cross a ball masterfully. Brazil's Ronaldo has come and (is almost) gone, but it didn't take too long for a new Ronaldo (both literally and figuratively speaking) to appear. But where's that new Beckham? That's why David Beckham has been revered for over a decade, and few are even close to matching his crossing abilities after all this while. 

So no, I wouldn't pay you 1 million to do all the stepovers in the world, because players who can do those are a dime a dozen. But if you can cross like Beckham, maybe, just maybe, someone would pay you that money.

 who said best in the world?

Nani does things with a ball that any "human" according to you can dream of  but he has a success rate of crossing a ball nearly 1 for every 10.  Thats, um...pathetic; don't you think? Considering he is about to get 10 million extension for some reason.

If thats the case, pay me 1 mill and i'll do all the step overs in the world for you.

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 I have been saying this for weeks now.  You aregetting paid THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to do what you do...kick a ball and yet Nani can't get a ball past the first defender.  He has to be worse teh Park when it comes to crossing, passing, attacking, etc.  Our team can't take a corner for JACK ***.

Doing fancy dribbles and stepovers? You've got thousands of players out there who can do almost every imaginable trick in the book. Crossing a ball? Not so. When you consider that a generation of footballers have come and gone, and yet no one has been able to dethrone David Beckham as the best crosser and corner tak.er of the ball for over a decade, you'd realise that it's not just a matter of "kicking a ball".

 I have been saying this for weeks now.  You are getting paid THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to do what you do...kick a ball and yet Nani can't get a ball past the first defender.  He has to be worse teh Park when it comes to crossing, passing, attacking, etc.  Our team can't take a corner.

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Its not that easy lol. The corner t.aker has to consider the run made by the player and generally the opposition defenders dont just stand around and watch. Also its not about just lofting the ball in there. You have to generally whip it in with pace and use your technique to adjust the swerve and dip of the ball which is often affected slightly by wind resistance and a few other environment related conditions. Generally speaking, you would get better with experience.

Its fine to say that the corner t.aker is well paid to kick a ball but you'll have to consider that the defenders are also well payed to make sure the ball that gets kicked doesn't reach the head of an opposition player. The player you want to assist may be at the near post and perhaps you technique could be such that makes most of your corners dip early. Lots of ifs and buts really.

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RedYankee:

4-4-2:

RedYankee:

4-4-2:

adam parker:

Exactly, Red Yankee... give it a try, if you haven't, it isn't as easy as it looks. Sure you may get lucky once or twice but consistency is the issue.

 

Exactly ? Hi Adam My point is that these guys practice practice practice  day in day out kicking a ball all day every day...but I have yet to see a regular threat to goal from a corner kick.... This is not just Man Utd but ALL football teams globally

Well if it is a GLOBAL problem then it must not be as easy as you think it is.  Especially if these guys are practicing it every day.

 

Hi Yankee Doddle The point I am trying to make is why is it so  difficult? As other poster have pointed out most can pass a ball 50 or 60 yards with pin point accuracywhen under pressure.... but take a corner and at least create a threat it seems almost impossible so the question is WHY?

Well, 0-0-0,  first off any idea that most footballers can achieve anything close to 100% accuraccy with 50 to 60 yard passes when under pressure, is just foolish.    You know realistically that many of those passes are off the mark.    Then you add in the number that appear on the mark because the player being passed to ran it down and well again false impressions are made.   You know that many a long pass end up with the ball just back in the possession of the opposition.

So the answer as several posters (including myself) have said is that well it just not as easy as you think it is.    Then when you take into account that those that do make into the box (which many more do than you give credit for), there is this pesky little problem called THE OTHER TEAM, you now the guys who do their best to stop you from scoring a goal, lol.   Many times nice kicks are made into the area just to have the defense or keeper actually do their job and *** out the opportunity.    So even when the corner t.aker does everything right and puts the ball dangerously into the box, he still may find the opportunity squashed by the defense.

Simple really.  Not exactly difficult to figure out.

I must not be making myself clear on the topic.  I am not discussing the defenders or the keeper. I know that once it arrives in the box then the defenders do their job and the attack do their job. Of that I am fully aware. It is just that in a lot of cases it appears not to ever arrive in the box in the first place.Thats all.

4-4-2:

RedYankee:

4-4-2:

adam parker:

Exactly, Red Yankee... give it a try, if you haven't, it isn't as easy as it looks. Sure you may get lucky once or twice but consistency is the issue.

 

Exactly ? Hi Adam My point is that these guys practice practice practice  day in day out kicking a ball all day every day...but I have yet to see a regular threat to goal from a corner kick.... This is not just Man Utd but ALL football teams globally

Well if it is a GLOBAL problem then it must not be as easy as you think it is.  Especially if these guys are practicing it every day.

 

Hi Yankee Doddle The point I am trying to make is why is it so  difficult? As other poster have pointed out most can pass a ball 50 or 60 yards with pin point accuracywhen under pressure.... but take a corner and at least create a threat it seems almost impossible so the question is WHY?

Well, 0-0-0,  first off any idea that most footballers can achieve anything close to 100% accuraccy with 50 to 60 yard passes when under pressure, is just foolish.    You know realistically that many of those passes are off the mark.    Then you add in the number that appear on the mark because the player being passed to ran it down and well again false impressions are made.   You know that many a long pass end up with the ball just back in the possession of the opposition.

So the answer as several posters (including myself) have said is that well it just not as easy as you think it is.    Then when you take into account that those that do make into the box (which many more do than you give credit for), there is this pesky little problem called THE OTHER TEAM, you now the guys who do their best to stop you from scoring a goal, lol.   Many times nice kicks are made into the area just to have the defense or keeper actually do their job and *** out the opportunity.    So even when the corner t.aker does everything right and puts the ball dangerously into the box, he still may find the opportunity squashed by the defense.

Simple really.  Not exactly difficult to figure out.

 im not slating any of our players when it comes too corners or anything, but nani and anderson cannot do corner kicks :/

RedYankee:

4-4-2:

adam parker:

Exactly, Red Yankee... give it a try, if you haven't, it isn't as easy as it looks. Sure you may get lucky once or twice but consistency is the issue.

 

Exactly ? Hi Adam My point is that these guys practice practice practice  day in day out kicking a ball all day every day...but I have yet to see a regular threat to goal from a corner kick.... This is not just Man Utd but ALL football teams globally

Well if it is a GLOBAL problem then it must not be as easy as you think it is.  Especially if these guys are practicing it every day.

Hi Yankee Doddle The point I am trying to make is why is it so  difficult? As other poster have pointed out most can pass a ball 50 or 60 yards with pin point accuracywhen under pressure.... but take a corner and at least create a threat it seems almost impossible so the question is WHY?

4-4-2:

adam parker:

Exactly, Red Yankee... give it a try, if you haven't, it isn't as easy as it looks. Sure you may get lucky once or twice but consistency is the issue.

 

Exactly ? Hi Adam My point is that these guys practice practice practice  day in day out kicking a ball all day every day...but I have yet to see a regular threat to goal from a corner kick.... This is not just Man Utd but ALL football teams globally

Well if it is a GLOBAL problem then it must not be as easy as you think it is.  Especially if these guys are practicing it every day.

adam parker:

Exactly, Red Yankee... give it a try, if you haven't, it isn't as easy as it looks. Sure you may get lucky once or twice but consistency is the issue.

Exactly ? Hi Adam My point is that these guys practice practice practice  day in day out kicking a ball all day every day...but I have yet to see a regular threat to goal from a corner kick.... This is not just Man Utd but ALL football teams globally