Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Stuff happens like this.  You just have to accept it on the chin.  Back in 1986 English fans had to accept it when Maradona handled the ball in a far more important game than the one on Wednesday.  Sure we didn't like it but you have to accept the referee's decision is final and will not be changed or overuled by those higher up.  In the English league we've seen worse decisions such as the goals that never were in games involving Watford/Reading and Crystal Palace/Bristol City(?) over the past year or so.  Those games were not replayed either.  You can't replay games just because a wrong decision is costly.

 

 

Those games are completly different, they all only 1 game in a 38 or 46  game season. This was a World Cup Play-Off, just amounts of money rested on this match. As far as 1986 goes, well........ it was 1986 I think we have all moved on, we are in a different era. Sometimes the referees decision should not be final, as FIFA states in its FAIR PLAY rules, a win should be got without cheating or something along those lines. My point is that this match was different & there was a valid reason for a replay, totally different from a league game. 

no the liverpool game should not have been replayed because the beach didnt exactly plant itself in the box and say "right im gonna get on the end of this ball and stick it in the net" whereas that cheating scum henry handled the ball not once but twice and knew wat he was doing. as for games never being replayed, check out azerbaijan v bahrain in 2005.

Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Stuff happens like this.  You just have to accept it on the chin.  Back in 1986 English fans had to accept it when Maradona handled the ball in a far more important game than the one on Wednesday.  Sure we didn't like it but you have to accept the referee's decision is final and will not be changed or overuled by those higher up.  In the English league we've seen worse decisions such as the goals that never were in games involving Watford/Reading and Crystal Palace/Bristol City(?) over the past year or so.  Those games were not replayed either.  You can't replay games just because a wrong decision is costly.

No offence mate, but please explain to me the connection between the scousers playin an everyday league match against Sunderland and Ireland playing the biggest match we've had in recent history against one of the world's top teams in their own backyard in order to qualify for the World Cup.

Thats not to mention the fact it was a beach ball that committed the offence in the scousers match and not supposedly one of Fifa's leading fair play ambassador's who basically grabbed the ball and threw it to his mate to stick it in the net in the 13th minute of extra time.

As for your reference to Maradona's handball back in 1986 and how well ya done to get over it, I want you to know you are one in a million mate (then again as you said you fell out of love with your national team a long time ago), as I think it is still a massive bone of contention with millons of English fans and rightly so 23 years later. 

Simply these things just should not happen in football and to refer back to 23 years ago isn't a good enough reason to justify it or any other similiar incident.  

What is the point in all these fair play campaigns and all that stuff, if all ya have to do is bend the rules what ever way you want, as long as you win and don't get caught.  

red irish:

inghamMUFC93:

perhaps that could happen,or Platini will referee the final

Have any Irish fans thought of the possibility of still going to the world cup in place of the French fans,have a laugh and a brew,talk with the locals and just heckle the French players,what with the standard of their own fans I doubt the French are strangers to heckling!

No but we're marching from Lansdowne Rd tomorrow to the French Embassy ! Its not going to solve anything though, just one last session untill the Euros, we'll get a few final Ole Ole Ole's...... & C'mon you Boys in Green in, im sure !

egg Platini or get some famous green on him,the only time he'll look respectable!

then again he ain't fit to wear the Irish green,couldn't find heart and soul at a Wales v Ireland game, or a Welsh/Irish pub as I've come more used to

inghamMUFC93:

perhaps that could happen,or Platini will referee the final

Have any Irish fans thought of the possibility of still going to the world cup in place of the French fans,have a laugh and a brew,talk with the locals and just heckle the French players,what with the standard of their own fans I doubt the French are strangers to heckling!

No but we're marching from Lansdowne Rd tomorrow to the French Embassy ! Its not going to solve anything though, just one last session untill the Euros, we'll get a few final Ole Ole Ole's...... & C'mon you Boys in Green in, im sure !

mancs are reds:

Something stinks.

I hope Slovakia win the world cup, just to annoy Fifa. Actually, if that happens it will be declared void and all teams will be forced to play all there games again. Any team below 8th in the world rankings has to play 5 pensioners in the team and has to play with 8 men. Then France just win the world cup final after beating Slovakia 1-0 on penalties after Slovakia have 3 players sent off and end up with 5 men and France are allowed 3 extra players to be brought on so finish with 15 players after starting with 12 men.

perhaps that could happen,or Platini will referee the final

Have any Irish fans thought of the possibility of still going to the world cup in place of the French fans,have a laugh and a brew,talk with the locals and just heckle the French players,what with the standard of their own fans I doubt the French are strangers to heckling!

Something stinks.

I hope Slovakia win the world cup, just to annoy Fifa. Actually, if that happens it will be declared void and all teams will be forced to play all there games again. Any team below 8th in the world rankings has to play 5 pensioners in the team and has to play with 8 men. Then France just win the world cup final after beating Slovakia 1-0 on penalties after Slovakia have 3 players sent off and end up with 5 men and France are allowed 3 extra players to be brought on so finish with 15 players after starting with 12 men.

chen zg:

Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Beach ball incidant is not a cheating.

maybe not but France and Sunderland both benefitted from the controversies although the ROI controversy was of much greater significance given the circumstances.

we all know there wasn't going to be a replay,Platini and Blatter got what they hoped for minus Russia being knocked out,now had the ROI gone through via a handball,me thinks the old FIFA rule books would have been demanded by Blatter for 'minor adjustment'.

as red said,with Blatter at the helm,FIFA is the most overt and covert corrupt system of government in sports,even more corrupt than the Harlequins boardroom,to be honest like Gav said,we can only move on,I understand where the Irish are coming from and if I ever believed some respect still existed in football then I would hope for a replay,of course today's football is different and the sportsmanship has all but died out,at least from the Boards at respective Clubs and agencies,everyone knows FIFA like most Clubs caters to the bigger countries and won't care about the smaller nations,a World Cup final with Brazil v Spain appeals to a greater market than Wales v ROI.

Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Beach ball incidant is not a cheating.

Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Don't agree. The beach ball incident about Liverpool is not a cheating.

Gavinio:

Should the Sunderland v Liverpool game be replayed then because of the controversial beach ball incident that cost Liverpool the game? 

Don't agree. The beach ball incident about is not a cheating.

Whatever about replays. Its happening too often. They should be looking for ways to prevent these situations.

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red irish:

I dont understand where your coming from at all on this, on the one hand your saying we should take it on the chin & move on, but yet when i asked you do you think Sir Alex should have done the same in the past when things went against him & Manchester United in order to avoid the touchline bans & fines you said, No.

I didn't.  I said that it needed to be taken on the chin, though I could have worded it better. In the threads where it discussed Sir Alex having a go at Wiley I've been saying Sir Alex was in the wrong for his comments.  There are times when Sir Alex is out of order, other times his comments are justified but I don't recall Sir Alex ever asking for a game to be replayed because of a bad decision.  The RIsh players and fans are completely justified in their comments but they need to come to terms and accept it now.

red irish:

If this had happened to England, & ye were denied the chance of competing in the World Cup or indeed if Henry does the same to us in the Champions League, id put my house on that the story would be different on here.

 

I wouldn't give two hoots about England myself it happened to them.  My interest in international football died a long time ago.  Of course if it happened to United there would be outrage on here naturally, but I still wouldn't expect a replay to happen if it did happen to United.

Gavinio.

I dont understand where your coming from at all on this, on the one hand your saying we should take it on the chin & move on, but yet when i asked you do you think Sir Alex should have done the same in the past when things went against him & Manchester United in order to avoid the touchline bans & fines you said, No.

If this had happened to England, & ye were denied the chance of competing in the World Cup or indeed if Henry does the same to us in the Champions League, id put my house on that the story would be different on here.

 

Gavinio:

I don't think as many people were asking for a game to be replayed because of it though.

 

I'm not just saying it should be replayed. I'm saying something needs to be done to improve the game so that injustices like this dont happen. Which is what the majority of the posters on here were saying when the decisions were going against us, but in this case alot of people just say "it happens". I just find it strange thats all.