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Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Zishan — Tue, 08 May 2012 14:06:09 GMT

I agree tactics and the mediocrity of the squad ... Pitiful team actually

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Nibor1 — Tue, 08 May 2012 13:54:39 GMT

I have never knocked SAF on here and slate people who do, but I was astounded by his line up against City. Scholes...Park....and Giggs all playing, but it was the omission of Valencia that really shocked me.

This might be controversial, but for the good of the club, should Scholes and Giggs retire? I know they can't, skill for skill, heart and dedication, be replaced, but there surely has to be an alternative out there.

Is it really lack of funds that has stopped us buying? I know full well about this fabled £120 (been told enough) million we have to spend, but what is the real reason that there have been no midfield replacements?

As you might have guessed... I still wear green and gold. I have seen all the facts and figures...heard all the arguments, but our refusal to spend (for me) means only one thing.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Sparsonz — Tue, 08 May 2012 11:51:41 GMT

Fergies tactics has won us many titles and cups. Brats like you are the worst, grow a pair and take it on the chin. You cant win em all

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Cyril — Tue, 08 May 2012 11:47:31 GMT

tommythecat:
pele 10:
forever united94:
He rested vidic against city when we lost 6-1 which was crazy
Vidic suffered a calf injury Aug 14th against West Bron and had made one appearence 5 days previous to the City game in mid Oct. against Otellul in the C.L. SAF said he would rest him as a precaution because he didn´t want a reccurence of the injury as there was a lot of football to play.
forever united94:
He played fletcher in that game aswell which we now know was basicaly playing with a man less ( he hasnt played since) we continued to attack in that game rather than accept defeat
Fletcher had started the previous 5 or 6 league matches leading up to City and had performed very well. He scored the only goal of the match. Who knew at that point how serious his illness was? When have you ever known a United team to quit if they thought there was a chance? Don´t forget we were reduced to 10 men and most of the damage was inflicted in the last ten minutes when the players were exhuasted.
forever united94:
He played raphael park and rooney in cm against blackburn guess what we lost
So what were SAFs options? SAF had one CB at his disposal, Cleverley, Fletcher and Anderson out injured not to mention 7 or 8 other first teamers out injured.
forever united94:
Finnaly against city he was afraid what they would do to us rather than what we would do to them
Was it that or did SAF think a point would be enough to win the league and his plan backfired?
forever united94:
He needs to stop being stubern and buy midfielders and play a 4-2-3-1 formation in europe like all the other top teams 4-4-2 doesnt work anymore.
I agree United should probably invest and probably will but with the injury problems at the club this year SAF had to set his formations based on the players at his disposal.Manchester United and SAF have never followed what other teams have done. They have always been innovators not followers.
forever united94:
Hernandez got 12 goals this season more than wellbeck and hardly played.
They both have plenty to offer but I think I´ll leave who plays more up to SAF. Their styles are totally different. Both have suffered a few knocks this year and haven´t always been in form.
forever united94:
He didnt know who his first choice keeper was until linderguard got injured
Before Lindergaard got injured he was first choice for 5 or 6 matches in a row so I don´t think there was a question who was #1 before the injury.
forever united94:
Rant over
Nice Rant.
WELL SAID MATE. A little on the sensible side though.

I don't agree losing 6-1 to City was a tactical failure. If we had accepted defeat then we would never have come back from the Chelsea game. But I do agree Fergi's failure in rebuilding the midfield and place too much faith on Anderson, Hargreaves and the Twins in not identifying backup in advance, and using Jones/Smalling under panic. On this account even Rio and Evan's limitation was ignored.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

pele 10 — Tue, 08 May 2012 11:26:50 GMT

tommythecat:
WELL SAID MATE. A little on the sensible side though

Thanks Mate. My apoligies.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

tommythecat — Tue, 08 May 2012 11:16:49 GMT

pele 10:
forever united94:
He rested vidic against city when we lost 6-1 which was crazy
Vidic suffered a calf injury Aug 14th against West Bron and had made one appearence 5 days previous to the City game in mid Oct. against Otellul in the C.L. SAF said he would rest him as a precaution because he didn´t want a reccurence of the injury as there was a lot of football to play.
forever united94:
He played fletcher in that game aswell which we now know was basicaly playing with a man less ( he hasnt played since) we continued to attack in that game rather than accept defeat
Fletcher had started the previous 5 or 6 league matches leading up to City and had performed very well. He scored the only goal of the match. Who knew at that point how serious his illness was? When have you ever known a United team to quit if they thought there was a chance? Don´t forget we were reduced to 10 men and most of the damage was inflicted in the last ten minutes when the players were exhuasted.
forever united94:
He played raphael park and rooney in cm against blackburn guess what we lost
So what were SAFs options? SAF had one CB at his disposal, Cleverley, Fletcher and Anderson out injured not to mention 7 or 8 other first teamers out injured.
forever united94:
Finnaly against city he was afraid what they would do to us rather than what we would do to them
Was it that or did SAF think a point would be enough to win the league and his plan backfired?
forever united94:
He needs to stop being stubern and buy midfielders and play a 4-2-3-1 formation in europe like all the other top teams 4-4-2 doesnt work anymore.
I agree United should probably invest and probably will but with the injury problems at the club this year SAF had to set his formations based on the players at his disposal.Manchester United and SAF have never followed what other teams have done. They have always been innovators not followers.
forever united94:
Hernandez got 12 goals this season more than wellbeck and hardly played.
They both have plenty to offer but I think I´ll leave who plays more up to SAF. Their styles are totally different. Both have suffered a few knocks this year and haven´t always been in form.
forever united94:
He didnt know who his first choice keeper was until linderguard got injured
Before Lindergaard got injured he was first choice for 5 or 6 matches in a row so I don´t think there was a question who was #1 before the injury.
forever united94:
Rant over
Nice Rant.

WELL SAID MATE. A little on the sensible side though.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

mark.k. — Tue, 08 May 2012 10:55:00 GMT

forever united94:
He rested vidic against city when we lost 6-1 which was crazy. He played fletcher in that game aswell which we now know was basicaly playing with a man less ( he hasnt played since) we continued to attack in that game rather than accept defeat. After he said the team was wrong but why didnt he do something about it during the game? He played raphael park and rooney in cm against blackburn guess what we lost. He didnt know who his first choice keeper was until linderguard got injured. When we drew at chelsea he said hernandez should be playing but then didnt start him until yesterday. Hernandez got 12 goals this season more than wellbeck and hardly played. Finnaly against city he was afraid what they would do to us rather than what we would do to them. He needs to stop being stubern and buy midfielders and play a 4-2-3-1 formation in europe like all the other top teams 4-4-2 doesnt work anymore. Rant over

RaFael.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

neutra74 — Tue, 08 May 2012 10:51:08 GMT

Sara:
The-Best-7.x:
No they didn't. Fergie's tactics closed the gap on city took the lead and nearly won us the title when city should have run away with it!
Totally agree, well said. Poor defensive error's cost us against Everton, we could have still lost against Shity and still gone on to win the league!

+2 With the players they had on paper, City should have won the league with a 10ptn margin. And maybe the Spurs should be second ... and I forgot the Blues. Finishing equal with city is a a great achievement bearing in mind the gap we had in our team. Saying this, I fully agree some players needs to be sold and others bought.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Tovarich — Tue, 08 May 2012 10:41:37 GMT

As a true Red since 1993, I am quite gutted that we are finishing the season with no silverware in our cabinet. Our legendary coach made some mistakes, as can be expected of all mortal beings, but we should also remember the times when we enjoyed some fantastic victories. I am particularly disappointed by our exit from Europe, the defeat to Crystal Palace in the Carling Cup as well as the defeats to City and Blackburn at home and to Newcastle and Wigan away and the stalemates against Newcastle and Everton at home.. I was quite disappointed when Sir Alex proclaimed that there was no quality in the market to plug the huge whole left by Scholesy when he hung up his boots. I am not a fan of marquee signings like Sneider but surely there are some gifted inexpensive playmakers in La Liga and the technically superior Bundesliga and the Eredivise? Whilst our injury crisis is probably attributable to young Jones being played out of the positions in which he would flourish, our bench has been below average to say the least. I am hoping that in addition to the sale/loaning of players such as Park, Berba, Ando et al, we make 5 new signings for a left-back, centre-back, defensive midfielder, play maker and centre forward for us to compete with the best in England and Europe. There is more talent on the market than City, Chelsea, Real, Barca and other spendthrifts can buy. The gaffer simply has to buy wisel and cast his radar in south and Central America too. Besides, we have some fairly decent talent in our reserves.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

Sara — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:57:15 GMT

The-Best-7.x:
No they didn't. Fergie's tactics closed the gap on city took the lead and nearly won us the title when city should have run away with it!

Totally agree, well said. Poor defensive error's cost us against Everton, we could have still lost against Shity and still gone on to win the league!

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

TheRedSea — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:53:44 GMT

FAITH IN SAF AND MANCHESTER UNITED : There has a number of repeated mantras coming from SAF this season. 'WE DON'T BUY DURING THE JANUARY WINDOW'. Well Everton bought Jelavic for a paltry 5M and he has outscored Wellbeck in half of a season. 'THERE IS NO VALUE IN THE TRANFER MARKET' translates to there will be no major signings in the close season. As for beating City twice, did you not wince when their ten men outplayed us in the second half. When it really counted, Monday, WE HAD NOT ONE SHOT ON TARGET. If you were not humiliated by this, try Europe this season. No I'm not the DEAD SEA. This has been a DEAD SEASON. I am old enough to recall the days prior to SAF when we were not saddled with 490M in debt. So next time you are at Old Trafford, buy yourself a green and gold scarf and remove your rose-tinted spectacles. We could and should have won the league this year. Ferguson rested Scholes at Wigan. EVERYONE WHO FOLLOWS MAN UTD KNOWS THAT ERROR OF JUDGEMENT COST US A POINT. He rested a player who came out of returement because he stubbornly refused to buy a CM in the close season. If he needs a rest after 19 games in his season, and we don't have anyone to replace him, please tell me who is to blame but SAF. Next season, after another bout of average signings in June, come back to me and tell me I was wong

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

The-Best-7.x — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:49:22 GMT

TheRedSea:
So pay peanuts get peanuts. When SAF retires, a new manager will demand a war chest. So cherish the memories until then, I'm afraid. Why not remove your name from the season ticket waiting list. If 10,000 others do likewise, the Glazers might realise that winning NOTHING this season and the next two seasons may be acceptable at the Etihad, but not Old Trafford.

Pretty sure it's 'Pay peanuts, get Monkeys'?!

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

pele 10 — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:19:14 GMT

TheRedSea:
SAF made several mistakes this season, as did Mancini with his deployment of Balotelli. Mancini has a wealth of riches on his bench. Ferguson had only Carrick and Scholes (20 games) fit given Flethcher's illness, Park, Anderson's ineptitude and injury and the misfortune of losing Cleverly after only four games. I suggest he sells Anderson and Ji Sung, but he won't because there is no guarantee that he will sign anyone in CM this year. He never does. He disagrees with all our views to strengthen that area and sits on his hands watching Toure waltz right through our journeymen. He plays Wellbeck to allow Rooney to play as a number 10. Wellbeck is not good enough, nor is Hernandez nor Berbatov. A good number 9 should score 20+ per season, especially with support from Nani, Young, Valencia and Rooney. The latter is not scoring and prefers to drop deep. Giggs and Scholes will be peripheral next season. City don't need to strengthen their midfield, so there is no excuse not to buy in this area. City do need a forward, so we will not be able to bid at the top table. So we need to get used to winning nothing for a few seasons, just like Arsenal, until SAF retires. He has been fantastic, but his hands are tied by current owners and 490M pounds of debt. He will have 25M in his June kitty. So expect a couple of unproven kids at best., So pay peanuts get peanuts. When SAF retires, a new manager will demand a war chest. So cherish the memories until then, I'm afraid. Why not remove your name from the season ticket waiting list. If 10,000 others do likewise, the Glazers might realise that winning NOTHING this season and the next two seasons may be acceptable at the Etihad, but not Old Trafford.

Why don´t you change your user name to The Dead Sea then your comments will be totally accepable and understandable. We beat City twice this season in case you forgot? When has SAF or Gill ever said the Glazers wouldn´t invest in the market to improve the club? Nothing like an off season to show the true colours of some people and the faith they have in SAF and Manchester United.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

TheRedSea — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:15:56 GMT

There is only 1 omission in your excellent counters to the original post. We have a large squad of players to cover injury. As we have seen when our squad players get an outing (Crystal Palace) they are not as good as SAF thinks they are. We were humiliated in Europe. We have been in decline since 2008. Being outclassed in Barcelona and Wembley is not progress and this season has been more reminiescent of life before SAF arrived. We have gone full circle.

Re: fergies tactics cost us the title

blosdais — Tue, 08 May 2012 09:08:58 GMT

I somewhat agree, some of his choices were just plain wrong and in the man city game it felt like he was playing for a draw. Why do we keep holding on to these relics like Evra, Carrick and Ferdinand, we can do so much better. What do you think of my friends line-up for this week, Rafael, Smalling, Ferdinand/Evans, Evra (lazy ass), Mid field - Valencia, Scholes, Nani, Rooney (just infront of them), and Hernandez (for the opening payer has to be there ;-) and Welbeck infront.