english players have talent, high profile names, creative, agile, ability, theres everything BUT STILLL....

NV15:

I'm not an Ireland fan you t1t.  The last game Ireland played was against Columbia a top 20 team in the world and they won.  The fact is there is no expection with Ireland, the country doesn't build itself up as the best only to fail everytime.  We leave that to England.. constantly building yourself up and being a failure, look at these players.. James, Hart, Rio, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Hargreaves, Beckham, Owen.. the list goes on and on and yet they can't qualify for a major tournament!  I have nothing against the England squad but i can't see why some of you can't admit that you all think England is better than it actually is.

England are the ONLY european team from the top 10 in the world to NOT quality for the Euros.

In the top 30 countries in the world 4 european teams failed to qualify for the Euros: ENGLAND, Scotland, Bulgaria and Norway.

1.  I'm not an Ireland fan.

2.  England aren't as good as you may think, i don't mean this to sound rude it's just the facts.

 

I think most of us know that England arent a very good team, it shows through our failure to progress further than the quaterfinals in the past 3 major tournaments. We have good players, but the problem is that we play very "individually"..Pretty much like what the dutch were playing like a few years ago (in my opinion). Hopefully Capello can change this for us, we have the quality to be the best in the world, but our problem is to work as a team and when that happens...who knows?

 

Its kind of sad really, the country that made the sport is a poor team. I shall support my country until my death

I'm not an Ireland fan you t1t.  The last game Ireland played was against Columbia a top 20 team in the world and they won.  The fact is there is no expection with Ireland, the country doesn't build itself up as the best only to fail everytime.  We leave that to England.. constantly building yourself up and being a failure, look at these players.. James, Hart, Rio, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Hargreaves, Beckham, Owen.. the list goes on and on and yet they can't qualify for a major tournament!  I have nothing against the England squad but i can't see why some of you can't admit that you all think England is better than it actually is.

England are the ONLY european team from the top 10 in the world to NOT quality for the Euros.

In the top 30 countries in the world 4 european teams failed to qualify for the Euros: ENGLAND, Scotland, Bulgaria and Norway.

1.  I'm not an Ireland fan.

2.  England aren't as good as you may think, i don't mean this to sound rude it's just the facts.

The rivalry between the clubs actually hurt the english side...They should learn something from the Italians...All Ac milan and Inter players play together as a team..clubs feeling left aside...!!!

Or even the England U-21 team...they play as a team coz hardly the players hv any club rivalry..!!!

 

NV15:

Who cares about England haha?  The English national team is a bit of a laughing stock in my opinion, bunch of egotistical players who think they're more talented than they actually are.

What and Ireland aren't a lauging stock? Watching them try and beat Serbia was hilarious.

Who cares about England haha?  The English national team is a bit of a laughing stock in my opinion, bunch of egotistical players who think they're more talented than they actually are.

[ For Schmeichel the Great Dane ]
thats what i am talking about, mate. more passion, character, hunger and energy. thats what i meant earlier.

MUReligion:

What they have done?? How well have they done?? if you call just qualifying for Quarter finals then maybe England have done very well but its not like that. English team is full of super-dooper stars and they deserve to (atleast) qualify for semifinal or final which they havent done in ages. Its not good performance at all. English team is far better than Spanish and German team on the paper. No doubt about that, but they win less-important matches and havent showed great character yet.

Well, for me quarters at least show they didn't make a mess of it. But it's true, if they show much more character and passion in their play for what their talents' worth then they should have a shot at getting past to semis and beyond.

MUReligion:

I never said theres no English players who cant do with a lot more overseas exposure. Owen Hargreaves, Beckham (for Real Madrid) are the best example.

 

Don't take it the wong way, I read your comment that "there're very few English lads overseas cause foreign clubs dont trust english players. So far Gerrad and Lampard have caught attention of foriegn clubs as they made bids.." and it came to me that there was something on this point to expand on. I don't think the issue of english players overseas is often brought up and discussed on.

Epl does not hurt england. England problems stem mostly from within. 1. English press is good for EPL but a disaster for the National team. 2. English star players are unnecesarily expensive so why buy an englishman when you can get a foreign import for a fraction. 3. English game do not alow ball players to excell look at Gareth bale of spurs, Thats why they are very few only Swp. 4. Refereing in england is poor such that even if you kick a player and win the ball it is ok this discourages players of SWPcaliber to shine. 5. With all the facilities at their disposal only few good players come out of it compare that with countries where boys train on rough roads or cattle tracks and football is number two from other chores. 6. Poor decisions by players when they change clubs eg look at scott parker, sidwell, SWP, walcot, m owen, peter crouch, james bettie, w bridge, glen johnson etc. These are all very good players but are they developing well? 7. This rule that you cant get a youngstar from more that 90 miles from your training ground. 

[ For Schmeichel the Great Dane ]
most welcome, brother... i agree with you. He was one of the best and really played well for Brazil, specially in the second half as substitute. He was great dribbler, great winger, agile, fast, creative and he certainly didnt take his football to the higher level even though he had great amazing World cup 1998 and was one of the key player of Real Betis in La Liga and always had great time with Joaquin.

What they have done?? How well have they done?? if you call just qualifying for Quarter finals then maybe England have done very well but its not like that. English team is full of super-dooper stars and they deserve to (atleast) qualify for semifinal or final which they havent done in ages. Its not good performance at all. English team is far better than Spanish and German team on the paper. No doubt about that, but they win less-important matches and havent showed great character yet. I'm sure you have seen how Germany performed in World Cup 2006 (when everybody was criticising to name sucha younger team and lots of criticism on Klinsmann). I am not saying that cause i'm a German. I'mma fan of English team as well but English team should learn from Germany's World cup 2006 squad, the way the played, the way they showed their passion, the way they proved everyone WRONG. that should be the way. No one really thought that a team like Germany would be the 3rd best team in World cup 2006 when everyone was saying that they'd kicked out in the very 1st round...

You are right. Youth Development Structure is amazingly superb in France. I (myself) have seen that. I agree with you that England should put more focus into setting up a proper youth academy like what the French have.

I never said theres no English players who cant do with a lot more overseas exposure. Owen Hargreaves, Beckham (for Real Madrid) are the best example.

MUReligion:

[ For Fasinho10 ]
i'm German but I certainly dont agree with you. What English team has done in last few world cups. they havent done anything good. A team that is full of superstars has produced no good results. check last 3 Euros and World Cups where Englishmen have done nothing. EPL is definitely the best but the problem is that the young english youth arent being groomed properly cause everybody in EPL is running for foreign players. Well, its great to have foreign players it makes the league more facinating and interesting but someone must give importance to all the english youth (under 15, 19) and help them develope into the best players. there're very few English lads overseas cause foreign clubs dont trust english players. So far Gerrad and Lampard have caught attention of foriegn clubs as they made bids..

[ For Schmeichel the Great Dane ]
Brazillian players arent like Englishmen. They set a time-frame for their football and then quits. While Englishmen play football over and over and over. Denielson played great for Brazil and Real Betis and announced retirement when the time was right for him. But I agree what you say and ronaldo example is very true. You arent optimistic type you are saying veru true. If you arent naturally blessed then you must work your way to make yourself good. Thats very true. Well said..

Thank you. I thought Denilson was a good example cause when he came through to the football scene it seem he had so much quality that he had the potential to establish himself as the world's best winger. But sadly, I don't think he took his football to a higher level that he could reach. Hardwork can introduce a lot more dimensions to one player's football which I think Denilson was a classic example where development stopped prematurely.

To your point on the England lads have not done any good in the International scene, I would say that they have done well but it's true for their talents they should achieve a lot more. I am not too sure about what should be said of the youth system because in France, their structure is superb in developing young talents and they don't just limit to the French locals. A lot of african players pick up their development from there as well. I find it hard to properly place a judgement on the influence of foreigners in this case, but it's definitely true England should put more focus into setting up a proper youth academy like what the French have.

One thing for sure, english players can do with a lot more overseas exposure. Like you say there are very few, it's almost non-existant. I can only pick out one example to justify this, our very own Owen Hargreaves. He developed his football in Germany and I think it makes a huge difference in helping him perform in the national team. I think it's quite obvious that he usually is one of the better performers for England, maybe he really is just that good but I'm sure learning his trade in Bayern helped in some way to become more versatile and to adapt to international football. Maybe it's something that can be considered by the FA to work on since foreign clubs won't initiate this for them seeing how they don't trust the english like you say. Just like how other nations are having players getting exposure in EPL, english players should experiment that. It will help them a lot more than people think.

[ For Fasinho10 ]
i'm German but I certainly dont agree with you. What English team has done in last few world cups. they havent done anything good. A team that is full of superstars has produced no good results. check last 3 Euros and World Cups where Englishmen have done nothing. EPL is definitely the best but the problem is that the young english youth arent being groomed properly cause everybody in EPL is running for foreign players. Well, its great to have foreign players it makes the league more facinating and interesting but someone must give importance to all the english youth (under 15, 19) and help them develope into the best players. there're very few English lads overseas cause foreign clubs dont trust english players. So far Gerrad and Lampard have caught attention of foriegn clubs as they made bids..

[ For Schmeichel the Great Dane ]
Brazillian players arent like Englishmen. They set a time-frame for their football and then quits. While Englishmen play football over and over and over. Denielson played great for Brazil and Real Betis and announced retirement when the time was right for him. But I agree what you say and ronaldo example is very true. You arent optimistic type you are saying veru true. If you arent naturally blessed then you must work your way to make yourself good. Thats very true. Well said..

giggsy101:

Thats a bad statement to make. English players are simply not as good as foreign players such as Nani or Ronaldo, even if we had English players that played in the same position as or foreign players, they wouldnt get time because they simply arent good enough. They could work their socks off to just try and get a spot for even just one game, it will not happen because managers will mostly choose the foreign over the english because they play better at that position (mostly)

Wouldn't that be a very sad assessment for a quality call Attitude? Guys the likes of Scholes, Barry, Park etc they don't actually come through football blessed with natural footballing talents. But they work themselves off to perfect their games in their vision, passing and physical strength and that brought them where they are today. I remember a certain brazilian Denilson, he had such wonderful technique and pace but where is he now? There are reasons why guys like Ronaldo even with all his talents he still work the extra hours to improve his game. Perhaps I'm just the optimistic type that feels if you are not good enough then work your way to make yourself good. If that is not possible then Greece will never have won Euro '04.

Not at all, the premier league is the best in the world because it has so many foreigners and I think the fact that English players are exposed to so many different styles of play is only good. The english team has talent just read the names, the only countries that could rival England in terms of big names in the line up are Spain & Italy. I think McClaren was at fault because the team is more than strong enough to qualify. Another thing that could be hurting is the fact that English players don't often stray from home, there are top players from other nationalities all over the world (Luca Toni, Ribery - Germany; Evra, Fabregas - England, etc) but there are very few English lads overseas. 

What is it that these foreign clubs do to produce such good players, Perhaps our english club should send their english youths abroad and let them be coached there.