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  • 28 Feb 2012 9:04 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    Pele10. It appears to me just like when Tevez was here in his last season. Towards the end of the season, SAF played him less and less and he very rarely made the subs bench. I think the same will happen to Berba. Seems like Berba is on his way out. Unfortunately. SAF wants to give Chicha and Welbeck as many chances as possible to get better.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 8:58 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    JBHunt:
    I think you are forgetting 3 factors: Berbatov's age, the chances of him being at OT next year, and lastly the fact that we got Rooney who also plays in Berbatov's best position.
    It still comes down to SAF so we will just have to wait and see how many opportunities Berbatov gets and what happens in the off season?
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  • 28 Feb 2012 8:54 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    I think you are forgetting 3 factors: Berbatov's age, the chances of him being at OT next year, and lastly the fact that we got Rooney who also plays in Berbatov's best position.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 8:50 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    michaek:
    pele 10:
    georgecoby:
    Regardless of if Berbatov fits here or in SAFs high energy style of play, he (Berba) is a much better player than both Welbeck and Hernandes. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. End of story!
    I agree with you and I like the Stevie Wonder reference though it may fly right by some of the posters on here.
    How could that reference possibly fly by anyone? It's common knowledge that Stevie Wonder was the greatest inside-forward that Peterborough United ever had. Of course he'd be able to see that Berbatov is a great player.
    michaek I did say some of the posters. I didn´t mean the more knowledgeable well read posters like ourselves.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 8:41 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    pele 10:
    georgecoby:
    Regardless of if Berbatov fits here or in SAFs high energy style of play, he (Berba) is a much better player than both Welbeck and Hernandes. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. End of story!
    I agree with you and I like the Stevie wonder reference though it may fly right by some of the posters on here.
    How could that reference possibly fly by anyone? It's common knowledge that Stevie Wonder was the greatest inside-forward that Peterborough United ever had. Of course he'd be able to see that Berbatov is a great player.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 8:39 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    BizarreMind:
    garp01us well evidently a manager with 25+ years experience disagrees with you,Hernandez is the future of United along with Welbeck & Rooney,Berba is the past along with Owen(Welbeck needs to work on his finishing) that goal he missed against Norwich was rather shocking,and also Owen is injury prone,which leaves us with just Rooney.

    Fergie after the 3-3 draw against Cheslea "To be honest with you I perhaps should have played Chicharito from the start as when he came on he had the Chelsea defence under pressure with his movement and positional play. "Danny [Welbeck] was terrific and is going to be a top player but when Chicharito came on in the second half, it was a different game." I like all the strikers we have because each striker offers us something different,how ever garp01us you dislike Hernandez full stop for what ever bias reason you have.

    Also Hernandez scored vs Ajax x 2 got goal vs Chelsea in the 3-3 draw and against stoke,Welbeck's last goal was vs Arsenal,either way Both strikers are scoring goals,we have defensive midfielders for a reason 2 track back help defend break up play,expecting are strikers to track back and come deep into midfield just destroys any fast counter attack that could get going,hence why Hernandez gets caught offside so much,he is a striker that players off the defenders(thats his style)

    You don´t really believe that is the only time SAF has made a comment like the one about starting Hernandez? I´m sure he has on many occasions because it is good for a players confidence. I agree with you Berbatov is the past and Welbeck and Hernandez are the future. It still doesn´t mean Berbatov has nothing to contribute when SAF calls. Like the assist on Hernandez goal against Ajax at O.T., the goal he scored in the Stoke game and any of the others he has scored this season in his limited duty. That´s not what this thread is about though. Hernandez replaced Berbatov because SAF was trying to change to a more fast paced, high energy system like I said earlier. Welbeck has replaced Hernandez for the most part because Hernandez has been fighting injuries this season and Welbeck has been performing so well like I said earlier. That is how the thread started. I like all of our strikers and it gives SAF such a variety of quality options to choose from.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 7:59 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    georgecoby:
    Regardless of if Berbatov fits here or in SAFs high energy style of play, he (Berba) is a much better player than both Welbeck and Hernandes. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. End of story!
    I agree with you and I like the Stevie Wonder reference though it may fly right by some of the posters on here. I still think SAF will only use Berbatov sporadically and against specially selected opponents.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 6:59 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    Regardless of if Berbatov fits here or in SAFs high energy style of play, he (Berba) is a much better player than both Welbeck and Hernandes. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. End of story!
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  • 28 Feb 2012 5:28 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    BizarreMind:
    garp01us well evidently a manager with 25+ years experience disagrees with you,Hernandez is the future of United along with Welbeck & Rooney,Berba is the past along with Owen(Welbeck needs to work on his finishing) that goal he missed against Norwich was rather shocking,and also Owen is injury prone,which leaves us with just Rooney.

    Fergie after the 3-3 draw against Cheslea "To be honest with you I perhaps should have played Chicharito from the start as when he came on he had the Chelsea defence under pressure with his movement and positional play. "Danny [Welbeck] was terrific and is going to be a top player but when Chicharito came on in the second half, it was a different game." I like all the strikers we have because each striker offers us something different,how ever garp01us you dislike Hernandez full stop for what ever bias reason you have.

    Also Hernandez scored vs Ajax x 2 got goal vs Chelsea in the 3-3 draw and against stoke,Welbeck's last goal was vs Arsenal,either way Both strikers are scoring goals,we have defensive midfielders for a reason 2 track back help defend break up play,expecting are strikers to track back and come deep into midfield just destroys any fast counter attack that could get going,hence why Hernandez gets caught offside so much,he is a striker that players off the defenders(thats his style)

    Exactly, in the game against Chelsea, Man United was down 3-0, but when Hernandez came on as a sub, it was a different game and the result turned out to be 3-3. Everything you say is true.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 4:41 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    arnava17agrawal:
    I agree with almost everything you said but one point. To say Berbatov didn't do anything to get into the team is totally unfair. I think he performed well whenever called upon this season apart from 1 or 2 games in which whole team didn't play well.. To blame Berba for his absence from team is harsh on him..
    Danny159:

    right this is getting stupid now, saying Hernandez should be stronger and be able to hold the ball up as well as Welbeck is ridiculous! two different types of players thats like saying Berbatov should be as quick as Hernandez and Welbeck should be as good at movement as Hernandez or that Hernandez should be able to play bullet long balls like Paul Scholes! all players have different attributes, if you want every player to have the same attribute then what a boring sport football would be!

    Every striker in the world requires service, depending on the style of the player the service will differ, if the team don't give that service then how can you blame the strikers for not holding up the ball? let's just say, let's play it to Hernandez's head, won't work, let's play a long ball along the ground to his feet, that's great if he comes to the ball, but if a CB like Samba or any other CB is right behind him pressuring how can he hold the ball up? Welbeck is completely different, he hasn't got the movement of hernandez, but he has the strength and the footwork to hold the ball up hes 6 ft 1 I believe which gives him an advantage as well as Berbatov but Berbatov is stronger than him! yes all players have things that they can improve on but to say he can't hold the ball up, it isn't an effective part of his game! as for the offsides yes they have been mis-timed for a while, but there are quite a few times that the linesman puts it up based on how quick he is, when hes onside but they presume hes offside because of how far away he is up the pitch away from the defenders

    all 3 strikers behind Rooney have weaknesses, but they all have undeniable strengths which are very useful, different strengths that are all useful to our game and sad to say, Berbatov hasn't done enough to earn his spot, where Welbeck and Hernandez have proved enough to be ahead of him, it's just one of those things, everyone has favourite players, but how unfair would it be on the players that are performing to be dropped just to put in a player that hasn't been playing well for whatever reason. they will get their chances, but if they don't perform I'm sorry you can't argue with being benched all the time, this is a big club, no one should get into the squad based on name, it should be on performance and who has earned it the most, right now Welbeck has earned the spot, it's up to the two strikers to try and win it off him, if they can't, it's their problem

    I agree too, nice post Danny, but I agree with arnava too, When we talk about Berba we are talking about the Golden Boot last season!!... again.. GOLDEN BOOT!. Can you imagen Javier or Welbeck winning the boot and playing just few minutes next season? what scandal right? I love Javier, but IMO Berba should play more and Javier and Welbeck should be fighting to sub Berba this season or at least is what logic says....
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  • 28 Feb 2012 4:24 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    garp01us:
    I would say there is a little bit more to it between SAF and Berba, since even when Berba has played and shined he still doesn't get another start. Eitherwayi can handle not always agreeing with SAF and I'm more than positive SAF has no care what I think about his team selections but it is funny how you can't seem to handle a human having their own opinion when it differs from yours. Anyway so we can at least agree to disagree. Still no answers from any of you as to why Hernandez is second on this months pool? Personally I voted for DeGea although it was very hard not to vote for Giggsy our even Scholes but Hernandez? On what merits?1 goal against chelscum is a greater accomplishment than a dozen our more high quality saves? or reaching 900 appearances and scoring the winner in a must win game? Or coming out of retirement and not showing any signs of missing a beat and scoring twice? Sure there have been months when Hernandez fully deserved to win but this isn't one of them.
    the reason why Hernandez was 2nd in this month's poll is because evidently some of the fan's felt he has been playing well........(even if you disagree with their opinion you just have to agree to disagree right?)
    mmm i can taste the tears
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  • 28 Feb 2012 4:22 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    I would say there is a little bit more to it between SAF and Berba, since even when Berba has played and shined he still doesn't get another start. Eitherwayi can handle not always agreeing with SAF and I'm more than positive SAF has no care what I think about his team selections but it is funny how you can't seem to handle a human having their own opinion when it differs from yours. Anyway so we can at least agree to disagree. Still no answers from any of you as to why Hernandez is second on this months pool? Personally I voted for DeGea although it was very hard not to vote for Giggsy our even Scholes but Hernandez? On what merits?1 goal against chelscum is a greater accomplishment than a dozen our more high quality saves? or reaching 900 appearances and scoring the winner in a must win game? Or coming out of retirement and not showing any signs of missing a beat and scoring twice? Sure there have been months when Hernandez fully deserved to win but this isn't one of them.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 4:12 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    Gavin2011:
    what personal attacks? Hes not twice the striker, a few years ago maybe you would have a case that goes for Owen aswell. Experience can be divined in so many ways though, winning things like the premier league gives you that experience needed to win another and its not as if berba was lighting any fires before Hernandez came to the club, Hernandez was never guaranteed a place in the team it was earned by performing when called upon, which he has done. I think you are asking to much to say he needs to improve on a season in which he scored something like 20 goals in his first season at one of the biggest clubs on the planet, with no expectations on him he rose to heights that made him an asset for the run in last season. Welbeck this season didn't knock Hernandez out of the team, hes actually confirmed berbas place these days and as long as we keep winning we cant argue the point. Btw Hernandez tracks back alot more than Berba and also hustles more in terms of shutting down. If your argument involves talking about strikers working hard in that way we can safely say berba is the worst at it.
    Berbatov isn´t playing because SAF wants more pace and higher energy and Rooney with either Welbeck or Hernandez gives him that. Berbatov hasn´t lost his place, SAF is giving Welbeck and Hernandez the chances because he knows they are the future. In the opportunities Berbatov has had this season he has performed admirably and the next time SAF calls on him I imagine he will be ready. The mark of a true professional. The only reason Welbeck and Hernandez are starting ahead of Berbatov is at this point in time Berbatov doesn´t fit into SAFs system. I dare say both Welbeck and Hernandez should be glad SAF isn´t picking his strikeforce on talent but on pace, inergy and age.
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  • 28 Feb 2012 4:05 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    garp01us well evidently a manager with 25+ years experience disagrees with you,Hernandez is the future of United along with Welbeck & Rooney,Berba is the past along with Owen(Welbeck needs to work on his finishing) that goal he missed against Norwich was rather shocking,and also Owen is injury prone,which leaves us with just Rooney.

    Fergie after the 3-3 draw against Cheslea "To be honest with you I perhaps should have played Chicharito from the start as when he came on he had the Chelsea defence under pressure with his movement and positional play. "Danny [Welbeck] was terrific and is going to be a top player but when Chicharito came on in the second half, it was a different game." I like all the strikers we have because each striker offers us something different,how ever garp01us you dislike Hernandez full stop for what ever bias reason you have.

    Also Hernandez scored vs Ajax x 2 got goal vs Chelsea in the 3-3 draw and against stoke,Welbeck's last goal was vs Arsenal,either way Both strikers are scoring goals,we have defensive midfielders for a reason 2 track back help defend break up play,expecting are strikers to track back and come deep into midfield just destroys any fast counter attack that could get going,hence why Hernandez gets caught offside so much,he is a striker that players off the defenders(thats his style)

    mmm i can taste the tears
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  • 28 Feb 2012 3:56 PM

    Re: Hernandez is last years Berbatov

    I'm not saying SAF has specifically tools him to track back and he doesn't, I'm saying all of our other strikers track back to help out but Hernandez maybe he's not experienced enough to realize he could be more helpful to the team by helping on defense instead of wandering around with only the opponents gk near him I don't know.
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