Iv'e not heard anything about an ultimatum, but we have to keep Pogba and Fryers, they are both good young players with great prospects. But to be honest it's not always a good idea to give people ultimatums, as the outcome may not be what you had hoped.

second that...

jasper99:

stevengerrard:

so have they signed yet?

not as yet,,,,couldnt you choose a better username than that???

second that...

stevengerrard:

so have they signed yet?

not as yet,,,,couldnt you choose a better username than that???

so have they signed yet?

This is a discussion that splits the fans. You have the club that we support and a potential player. None of us know the real truth but i can see both sides to this and am undecided on who to support. I want to see Pogba or any young talent come through the ranks. I also want United to win trophies. We are at an important stage of the season where the players of Carrick, Scholes, Giggs have all been there so many times and know how to handle the situation, this is highly important. Then you have a talent like Pogba coming through desperate to show what he can do which is also a great attribute. I feel for sure if he had signed by now he would have played against Ajax. Don't think he would have played against Spurs but just being part of the squad would make his transition easier. Now there is so much hype about him by agents, fans & media that it will only nake his full debut (if it happens) even more pressurised. IMO opinion his agent is causing problems by making him believe that he is bigger than United. £20k is a great salary for a 19 year old and once he plays more he can get a pay rise like Pea & Smalling. If it is game time he wants then moving abroad does not guarantee this and may even slow his progress down. He has been wise in not being vocal but he needs to make a decision now before most of the fans turn against him as arguable SAF has proved to be right on so many occasions and with easier games at home on the horizon that could be the time he is rewarded. I don't believe that SAF would close the door after this weekend but he may not be apart of the squad until he signs and the longer it goes the less likely we will see Pogba next season. When one player leaves another player arrives.

No one should ever be on the United team sheet if they have any priorities higher than playing for Manchester United.

POURIAM:

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POURIAM:

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I just dont get United why wait to nearly the end of there contract to offer them a new one. We are losing our young one's left right and centre promising one's at that why not give them play time because some of them can do better then some of the main team at the moment. Oh well another two bit the dust and if they become great players what will SAF say then shot himself in the foot all over again the cracks are starting to come out in Manchester United there got to be some thing wrong if the kids want to leave us. He said we will build another young team well man wake up and see that this is not going to happen because its starting to crumble under you.

you are pathetic mate! we already do have a Young team!! more than half the squad are in their early 20's. have you been keeping track of anything?? or do you just close your eyes when you watch the games?? let me ask you this... what was the average age of the squad that played against Norwich?

so iam pathetic well let me see oh yeh.. Evra 30/ Rio 33/ owen 32/ Berbatov 31/ Giggs 39/ scholes 37/ Park 30/ Vidic 30/ Carrick 30 the rest are early to late 20's so who looks like the pathetic one now.??

dont take it to heart my friend. from the list of players that you named only 2 i can think of that are regular starters. others are injured and/or the youngsters take their place as starting 11 because of their performance. I agree with you that we do need more youngsters but we need to see the time of our older players first! they still have a lot to offer to the club as we saw in the Norwich game. patience is key, and the right players will be found. I get kind of defensive with SAF and his decisions but if you take a step back and look you will understand why I am that way.

yes i get it all i am saying is that he gives good reference's about them say's there chance in main team he builds them up then he lets them down. Will you sit it out time and time again geting no football or takes them sit's them on the bench and dont use them you cant show any one how good you are. Can you see why they need to leave and we miss out on them coming up when we need them why did he not use them when we where thin on the ground with most of the main team as you said injured no he took some out of there place and put them in others why did not use the youth to give them more experience with the team i just dont understand it why and this is why they are up and leaving us when he said he was going to build a new team and just let them down do you get what i am saying.

lucautd:

Its fine people saying that utd are doing well not letting pogba dictate to them etc, but thats just covering up the cracks, for starters pogba as been a star in the making since and before he signed for utd, yet the club being arrogant (in my opinion) feel its fine to start contract talks start 6 months before it expires, I think its bad enough a club the size of manchester united cant compete with the likes of city real madrid barca etc, now we cant even seem to keep our young stars of the future which as always been a massive part of this club, and if utd and sir alex think these kids and kids in the future will just accept utds contract offers they need to think again, because football as changed its not about loyalty anymore its about the whole package finance being a massive part of it, and if we dont offer better contracts to players we will soon be losing alot more star players, Utd should in my eyes offer pogba what the other clubs are offering the boy, because i guarentee what ever wage he wants (his agent wants) he will be worth triple that in value by time he is 22.

You do that then it will never end, you can bet your life every few months they will be demanding a transfer unless they get more money, Let them do what the rest of us do that are employed do as the boss ask cause thats what we are paid to do. Or leave and see if their new employer has a better end product ie 19 championships

lucautd:

Its fine people saying that utd are doing well not letting pogba dictate to them etc, but thats just covering up the cracks, for starters pogba as been a star in the making since and before he signed for utd, yet the club being arrogant (in my opinion) feel its fine to start contract talks start 6 months before it expires, I think its bad enough a club the size of manchester united cant compete with the likes of city real madrid barca etc, now we cant even seem to keep our young stars of the future which as always been a massive part of this club, and if utd and sir alex think these kids and kids in the future will just accept utds contract offers they need to think again, because football as changed its not about loyalty anymore its about the whole package finance being a massive part of it, and if we dont offer better contracts to players we will soon be losing alot more star players, Utd should in my eyes offer pogba what the other clubs are offering the boy, because i guarentee what ever wage he wants (his agent wants) he will be worth triple that in value by time he is 22.

You do that then it will never end, you can bet your life every few months they will be demanding a transfer unless they get more money, Let them do what the rest of us do that are employed do as the boss ask cause thats what we are paid to do. Or leave and see if their new employer has a better end product ie 19 championships

Danny159:

oh I agree, but Scholes has been as a coach training with him anyway, so the only real gain would be to play alongside him in the team and watch scholes play, but I do agree, on the injuries front, it would be a big shame if the injuries ends up being the reason for Pogba leaving, but for me can't really blame Fergie or anyone for that matter, people think well, fletcher is out, anderson, cleverley are out, plenty of room for him to play in midfield, but without the rock that is Vidic in our backline, can't really argue with Ferguson hesitating giving him chances, you'd feel a lot more comfortable putting Pogba in if Vidic was behind him!

Yeah its been a problem all season really, thankfully Jones hasn't suffered. Yeah of course those players injured should mean that he might get a chance, I mean looking at Blackburn when we played them they had quite a few players out and they brought the youth through but that is really the only option they had and we are fighting for titles so it is better to go with the experience. Also when Pogba played in the CC he didn't really impress, he looked very nervy and didn't really take his chance for me, which maybe he wasn't quite ready and shouldn't be risked again.

He is what 18 years old going to 19 in March I think, he has been here for about three years and I would say still adapting to life at the club. This season he got called up to the first team which is a big step in itself imo, he has impressed in the reserves but that is no where near the levels of club football, I don't know he seems impatient for some reason. I hope he see's sense and signs the deal because here he will only go from strength to strength.

Maybe its not game time or money, maybe he is worried that he cannot handle the pressure of being here which could affect his development. If he wants game time then well he must know he is likely to get more game time the sooner he signs the contract rather than waiting around. Just seems strange to me.

stretford77:

Danny159:

that's really all I'm saying is that, whether Fergie was right or wrong to do these things is irrelevant, if you put all the occasions where he could have played and consider at the same time, then Pogba might start to wonder whether he will get the games here, players out of position and bringing scholes back, I wondered when Scholes came out of retirement loved seeing him back but couldn't help but think, what would Pogba think at that? would he think that it's like saying, oh I musn't be good enough here etc I wondered whether it would have a detrimental effect on Pogba, whether it's true or not I'm not sure, but this is why I don't think people should be having a go at him, he has a decision to make that only he himself can make and all these things he will be considering

I see what your saying but if we didn't think he was good enough we wouldn't offer him a new deal, im pretty sure Pogba refused the deal before Scholes came back but having Scholes back should help him develop more. If he was good enough to start ahead of Scholes or anyone then he would imo, we are a top team though and fighting for league titles so it is hard to bring players through that aren't experienced so the only time really when its best to bring him through is through sub appearances but injuries has caused problems with the whole squad its disrupted our chemistry etc so we haven't had that many comfortable situations to bring him on.

oh I agree, but Scholes has been as a coach training with him anyway, so the only real gain would be to play alongside him in the team and watch scholes play, but I do agree, on the injuries front, it would be a big shame if the injuries ends up being the reason for Pogba leaving, but for me can't really blame Fergie or anyone for that matter, people think well, fletcher is out, anderson, cleverley are out, plenty of room for him to play in midfield, but without the rock that is Vidic in our backline, can't really argue with Ferguson hesitating giving him chances, you'd feel a lot more comfortable putting Pogba in if Vidic was behind him!

Danny159:

that's really all I'm saying is that, whether Fergie was right or wrong to do these things is irrelevant, if you put all the occasions where he could have played and consider at the same time, then Pogba might start to wonder whether he will get the games here, players out of position and bringing scholes back, I wondered when Scholes came out of retirement loved seeing him back but couldn't help but think, what would Pogba think at that? would he think that it's like saying, oh I musn't be good enough here etc I wondered whether it would have a detrimental effect on Pogba, whether it's true or not I'm not sure, but this is why I don't think people should be having a go at him, he has a decision to make that only he himself can make and all these things he will be considering

I see what your saying but if we didn't think he was good enough we wouldn't offer him a new deal, im pretty sure Pogba refused the deal before Scholes came back but having Scholes back should help him develop more. If he was good enough to start ahead of Scholes or anyone then he would imo, we are a top team though and fighting for league titles so it is hard to bring players through that aren't experienced so the only time really when its best to bring him through is through sub appearances but injuries has caused problems with the whole squad its disrupted our chemistry etc so we haven't had that many comfortable situations to bring him on.

stretford77:

Very much agree mate, I admit that it was strange to see Rafael in midfield but I can understand the reasonings about that and the same when Gibson played which also may of helped to sell him. In the league cup you need a good mix of youth and experience imo and again we needed to get the more experienced fit to get ready for the season so I can understand that too. also with injuries you don't want to put to much pressure on the lad.

I don't know about Fryers, I've just seen the odd newspaper rumour about him but likewise with Pogba they same case will apply to him.

that's really all I'm saying is that, whether Fergie was right or wrong to do these things is irrelevant, if you put all the occasions where he could have played and consider at the same time, then Pogba might start to wonder whether he will get the games here, players out of position and bringing scholes back, I wondered when Scholes came out of retirement loved seeing him back but couldn't help but think, what would Pogba think at that? would he think that it's like saying, oh I musn't be good enough here etc I wondered whether it would have a detrimental effect on Pogba, whether it's true or not I'm not sure, but this is why I don't think people should be having a go at him, he has a decision to make that only he himself can make and all these things he will be considering

Danny159:

stretford77:

The thing is we don't see him in training every day so if anyone knows about this player then it is SAF and I trust his judgement.

Personally Pogba has had a few chances 45 mins against Leeds, then 20-15 mins against Aldershot, Palace and Stoke in those games he only really impressed at Stoke. At the time of Stoke he has refused or was undecided on his contract, I don't know him so I don't know what his problems are with his contract but his agent has been saying that he wants more money and money has to tempt him.

They way I see it he has a had a few chances, didn't play great but has impressed as we have offered him a contract so its pretty obvious that we want to keep him. For some reason he is reluctant to sign the contract and since then we gave him a chance in the PL against Stoke and for me he took his chance. He has been on the bench a few times since then and to be honest I don't see why we should even put him on the bench if he doesn't want to be here, his agent has said that we and Juventus have both offered him game time and from SAF's comments then im sure he would get played.

But he has to work for it like any other player, it is hard to bring through a youngster in a cm position and imo experience is required for that role. If he works hard like Cleverley and Welbeck and gets into the first team next season then he will most likely get an improved contract. If he thinks he is so good then whats his problem, if your good enough you will play.

I agree, with not playing him recently, but not starting him in the league cup I thought perhaps he should have had more time in those games, but it's up to Fergie at the end of the day, we've had injuries too which will only make him hesitate more into giving him time, and right now, why should we play Fryers and Pogba if they haven't decided to stay, if they sign a new contract, hopefully they will, then try and get them games then but until then, they should be told to train alone or whatever Fergie decides to do to benefit his team! I'm a little surprised that Pogba hasn't signed by now, but then again, he has had multiple agents let's just hope everything gets sorted so pogba can get his head down into earning a first team spot and a higher wage in future like Welbeck and Cleverley, contracts and opportunities should come in stages and that's what Pogba needs to understand! he's actually at a very good stage, hes getting opportunities and on bench regular, sign a new contract and you'll be able to get a wage-rise when you prove yourself into a squad player!

Very much agree mate, I admit that it was strange to see Rafael in midfield but I can understand the reasonings about that and the same when Gibson played which also may of helped to sell him. In the league cup you need a good mix of youth and experience imo and again we needed to get the more experienced fit to get ready for the season so I can understand that too. also with injuries you don't want to put to much pressure on the lad.

I don't know about Fryers, I've just seen the odd newspaper rumour about him but likewise with Pogba they same case will apply to him.