mancunian_matt84:

Yet as a matchgoing supporter i wouldnt class myself as a sheep and certainly dont appreciate you calling me one. But say i did boycott, as did a significant number, how would losing that revenue actually help? It could force a glazer sale or most likely it would long term damage the club even more than glazer ownership has. Imagine if we defaulted on bond interest or even worse glazers began to liquidise assets, carrington sold etc. think b4 u label

the only reason people like glazers with no intrest in football buying a club like utd is money. its great way to make money ! and they are very smart as they have been able to take out so much out of the club! but that have costed us greatly! the only reason glazers stay is moneyif there was to matches with half stadium empty they would be very carefull how to treat utd in future, or any future owners. something like this would never happened in spain as fans there stay togthere and show reaction to this kind of thing. but here NO! i didnt mean to call you a sheep but there are many fans in the stand who really dont care or understand the meaning of what they are supporting financially! and in the long term few games to standing up would benefit utd so much more than doin nothing of importance that make glazers to react!!!! the only way is to start with 2 games of not going there , and they see that they have to treat utd and their fans with more respect! to be honest thats how glazers think of fans(sheep), no matter what they do they will still keep coming,which is why they dared to take a loan of 600 mill for their own personal intrest on the club!!! we need to stand together in this and make a point that they can really feel, wearing some green and yellow jersy wont do much more than bring some awarness to it! 2 games and we will see the difference! it hurts so much to see utd being beaten time and time again by second fiddle teams in europe! our crop of youngster are decent enough but nothing major, the only one with a diffeence is cleverly who is unfortunetly injury prone. all the bug clubs buy some big players every few years to make sure they stay there, we havent done that for 7 years! spend around 100 mill on transfers for 5 years and probley sold just as much, where has all the money gone to???????????? well if we dont react we should get used to this kind of performances in future like in europe this year! better get used to see best talent getting snapped up ta barca and real, better get used to buy only young future potentials, better get used to city getting more and more fans and financial power and decline!

Decent post, the sales should hopefully compensate for the loss in Champions League money.

I think in terms of signing the midfield play maker everyone is crying out for, it's not going to happen. Fergie will look at Scholes and Giggs and see that he can 40 - 45 quality games out of them two. In which that time we should hopefully be able to give Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher the games needed ti improve and prove their fitness. Carrick will give that dependency and then there is Jones and Park along with Pogba who can offer cover in the middle.

When Scholes and Giggs leave it is my opinion that between Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson we will find our midfield two and with Pogba providing back up we'll be well covered. It is only when Rio, Carrick, Park, Vidic and Evra leave (Jones will operate in defence more so won't be an option in the middle) that we may see an additional signing for the middle come in as at that time we will have Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher and Pogba just in the centre. We are talking at least two seasons here but if everything goes well I don't think we'll sign anyone.

Unless something happens Anderson doesn't become a regular or Pogba moves then we might see someone come in before that. I actually thought that with the Gibson transfer it sort of opened the door for Rodwell to come in. I think Fergie likes him and he could give us an extra option in centre back and the middle of the park but we'll see.

There are a few players who I think could be added to the squad but they are majorly unrealistic, I think that a player like Bale for the left wing, Sturridge for attack and Wilshire for the ball player would really improve us. But these signings are not available so we will work with what we have.

there is no value in the market :)

Very good post....but i think we need to Trust Sir Alex....the visionary SAF is, i m sure he knows what UTD lacks. I m sure we will strenghthen the squad in summer and especially midfield. And its not like that we dont have money, SAF has always cleared that if he wants a player then he will spend money. But important thing to note if we can bring a player of reserves like we did for Welbeck this season who can really add something in midfield. I have still hopes of Pogba will stay and the boy looks really good of his age. So we buy its great and if we dont and promote a young player who can really add that steel to our midfield, then it will be fine too.

89cruefan2:

cdkred obviously also using your logic then Ronaldo also DIDNT improve the team as he was technically the replacement for the recently departed Beckham...

???? how do you work that one out,ronaldo was the first "british based player" to become world player of the year.

89cruefan2:

Had we not brought Valencia we wouldnt be as good a team and Rooney wouldnt have had that record breaking season, If we hadnt signed De Gea and just relied on Lindegaard, Amos and Kus then we would be in a worse position now

thats not the point cdkred was making,valencia,and de gea being signed didnt make us a better team than the one with ronaldo and VDS in it.

Yet as a matchgoing supporter i wouldnt class myself as a sheep and certainly dont appreciate you calling me one. But say i did boycott, as did a significant number, how would losing that revenue actually help? It could force a glazer sale or most likely it would long term damage the club even more than glazer ownership has. Imagine if we defaulted on bond interest or even worse glazers began to liquidise assets, carrington sold etc. think b4 u label

Cant still believe people defending glazers and saying they have costed utd so much money because they ar investing it for utd! LO it must be the glazers here in the forum :) we need to spend 50-60 mill this summer at least to catch up a little with the competition in europe! we need an top class mmidfielder and a striker!! has anyone thought what would we do without roony!!!!! if he gets injured we havent a chance to win anything!!!! welveck will never be worldclass! chi is a good scorer but need few years to raise his allaround game! berba is out this summer and never really fitted utd style of play. owen, do i need to say anything on that matter???? the midfield has been to obvious, utd of the past had allways a ver strong midfield, this is the weakest i have seen for a long while. Cleverly looks like the deal but injuryprone! carrick our best midfielder wouldnt get on starting 11 of teams past. we had no money to spend and signed paul(love the guy) to cover up some of our weakness in midfield. but like viera says it shows some of our finance weakness that we couldnt afford sign a midfielder! 50-60 is the minimum we need to spend but like the title here says dont hold your breath!!! our policy have changed to buy young potential because glazers found the ronlado affair tasting real good! but for clubs vision of success that just isnt enough! so better get used to this guys! we turning more and more into 2.ders in leauge like arsenal was to us! ps. still cant bleieve some says glazers are investing the money for future of utd(where the money has gone to? shopping centres and a american fottball club in U.S) the number of how much we spend doesnt lie no matter what Sir alex says! to be honest i dont think he is really happy to see the club he worked to put in a place that would truley compete financly in world now has come to this shape. But he is a man who dont go out and nag like mancini, and keeps the problems in the club under wrap so it wont mix it selfs to much with what he trys to do here! As long as there are fans like the one here who goes like sheeps to matches there wont be a change! i guess glazers are happey about that. i think there was a judge in U.S that called them wolves in sheep diguise once! couldnt have been more right .

cdkred:

When Valencia was signed Ronaldo had just left so no he didn't make us a better team. De Gea was signed after Van Der Sar retired so again he didn't make us a better team, Ashley Young had improved the squad but hasn't made us a better team. You're point now becomes moot....

Had we not brought Valencia we wouldnt be as good a team and Rooney wouldnt have had that record breaking season, If we hadnt signed De Gea and just relied on Lindegaard, Amos and Kus then we would be in a worse position now.. De Gea has made the team better and if anything his stunning saves over the past few months have kept us in the title race and helped us to gain control and become top of the league... Without him we would be in a worse position. Young has strengthened the depth in our squad and therefore made the overall team better as he has provided some vital goals.

From judging by their respective impact to the team, I would happily say they have made the team better.

The OP isnt going on about big name buys, just going on about players coming in and improving the team and making an impact... To say that under the Glazers that we shouldnt hold our breath for signings which would make an impact is just a bit obscene. There are plenty of players we have brought which have improved the team and made an impact

EDIT: cdkred obviously also using your logic then Ronaldo also DIDNT improve the team as he was technically the replacement for the recently departed Beckham... So technically he didnt improve the team at all. And really your logic is flawed as this can be said for basically ANY player... At one point or another they are usually brought in with an idea to replace a player which is leaving.....

89cruefan2:

lucidreams:

I am in no way suggesting that we should become City and pay ridiculous amount for every player under the sun. I am saying that we have failed to spend money for that one player that would make the team better and that has been the pitfall of the Glazer ownership.

Valencia, Nani, Young, De Gea, Hernandez... All players who have made us a better team and been hugely influential... Your point now becomes moot.....

When Valencia was signed Ronaldo had just left so no he didn't make us a better team. De Gea was signed after Van Der Sar retired so again he didn't make us a better team, Ashley Young had improved the squad but hasn't made us a better team. You're point now becomes moot....

lucidreams:

I am in no way suggesting that we should become City and pay ridiculous amount for every player under the sun. I am saying that we have failed to spend money for that one player that would make the team better and that has been the pitfall of the Glazer ownership.

Valencia, Nani, Young, De Gea, Hernandez... All players who have made us a better team and been hugely influential... Your point now becomes moot.....

mancunian_matt84:

I think any squad no matter what you invest in it will have peaks and troughs, sometimes things come together perfectly and you have a team who dominates their domestic league and wins the european cup, SOMEtIMES!

To solely judge a cub on europe, a cup competition i might add, is flawed. After all the gap between liverpool and chelsea the year they were respective champions of europe and england was huge domestically, tiny on the european stage

The same applies to this situation regarding MUFC, we have a squad despite missing arguably our best player, which has the formula to unlock the premier league's defences, our points tally at this stage of the season given who we have already played is PHENOMINAL

Europe we have lacked this season, and I think you have to look at our overall squad strength, particularly the technical ability of some and I honestly feel it will be addressed in the summer, if it isn't then I'm afraid those who at present don't see the glazers as a threat to united as a top european power need to readdress

If we had spent a lot more money we would probably have a much stronger, technically abled squad but at the same time we would have a huge wage bill and not much left in the bank

The balance is key, and I think this squad with certain additions in the summer is fantastically poised to challenge for european honours again but it may take a year or two of building back up that european playing level which we have dramatically lost this year

I completely agree with you, If this year after all the waiting for a technically gifted midfielder to arrive one doesn't I think it's plain to see that the Glazers are holding us back. I just worry that if Scholes signs on and Fletcher makes his return SAF will use this as an excuse to not buy anyone siting we have a strong enough squad... I think our squad is very strong domestically but in Europe we need more Scholes type players who naturally control the play or we will continue to struggle but having Vidic back will be huge but we need more. Not a huge amount more but one or two quality players to complete our squad.

Do we have the room now to pay for those additions, well thats where the whole glazernomics come into play. I expect a summer midfielder signing of a proven midfielder to complement tom cleverley and Paul Scholes, I wouldn't hold my breath for much more than this

eoinmadden2:

i think we might see a big summer signing due to the wages freed up. Hargreaves, O'Shea, Gibson, Oberton all gone, that has to be the guts of £300k a week?

Hahaha! Or should I politely say "lol".

eoinmadden2:

i think we might see a big summer signing due to the wages freed up. Hargreaves, O'Shea, Gibson, Oberton all gone, that has to be the guts of £300k a week?

Not forgetting Berba might be making a move.I think he earns £100k.

Captain Marvel No.7:

pele 10:

Captain Marvel No.7:

pele 10:

lucidreams:

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

Maybe you should learn a little about the Glazers before you spout off. My opinion of you hasn´t changed either. Your talking business and I realize the club is in debt as does every MUFC fan. You still haven´t answered my simple question. What are the Glazers doing with the money they are taking out of the club?

@lucidreams - Decent post mate, all i'll say is what value do you class as a major signing £15m, £20m, £25m+?? United cant afford £30m players anymore because of the debt, Sneijder was the perfect example of that last summer. Add to that Berbatov is the only player the Glazers have bought who has cost over £20m in the 7 years they've been here and its kind of all you need to know.

@ pele10 - You ask what the Glazers are doing with the millions they are milking out of us? Well, being honest mate i for one dont want them using it to invest elsewhere so they can pay their sh1tty bonds back in 2017 !! I'd just like them to invest the money the club generates back in the club/team rather than using it to give back to banks for loans, bonds, interest etc. From where i'm stood it doesnt look like anywhere near enough is going back in the team and that speaks volumes for these owners. LUHG.

Captain Marvel No7 just because we aren´t spending bushels of money on players. Tell me how that translates back to the Glazers and as for Sneijder I believe that was totally SAFS idea to give that a pass. SAF sets the transfer targets and I believe whoever he wants he gets. As for what @lucidreams insinuates that SAF is a puppet for the Glazers that to me is rediculous and I think an insult to the intelligence of everyone that reads this thread. Besides this year being a one off with injuries and a glut of experienced players either retiring or being sold on. How has the lack of spending hurt the club. The club we have right now has exciting young players full of talent and once they develop chemistry the way the likes of Giggs, Scholes and the rest of the class of 92 did. We won´t know how much the so called lack of investment has affected the club? To me the future is bright with Gill and SAF running the club with the Glazers support.

How has the lack of spending hurt the club? DId you see any of the performances in the Champions League or Europa League? They couldnt get out of a group consisting of Benfica, Basle and Otelul Galati. Thats not Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich were talking about, its a group we really ought to have qualified from even with our injuries.

We wont know how much the so called lack of investment has affected the club? Again i'll point to our performances in Europe, we really shouldnt be hiding behind the fact we are top of a weak domestic league. Europe has got to be the benchmark on where we are judged and without some decent investment, particularly in our midfield, we'll continue to fall further behind imo.

I appreciate your opinion though I don´t totally agree with it. I still believe the injuries were the biggest factor in our bad performances in the CL and Europe this season. Here is why. We had a young squad to begin with and quite a few new faces so there was very little team chemistry which I believe is the single thing that seperates great clubs from good clubs. Because of all the injuries we were never able to field a set squad in back to back games. Not only that but take a look at who we´ve been missing Cleverly, Anderson, Fletcher and Young at the same time. Then at the back we´ve been unsettled for most of the season Vidic, Ferdinand has missed time Jones, Smalling, Evans, Fabio, Raphael. Up front Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez have all missed time. How do you think some of these other big clubs would be performing with an injury list like that? Not to mention a transition year to boot where SAF is trying to incorporate new tactics. I would like to see us sign a talented midfielder as well but this club has loads of talent as I see it. They just have to get healthy and kick on with the job. Give SAF some options instead of the limited group he has had to choose from. Then make your decisions about how the Glazers investment or lack of investment have affected the club.