I think any squad no matter what you invest in it will have peaks and troughs, sometimes things come together perfectly and you have a team who dominates their domestic league and wins the european cup, SOMEtIMES!

To solely judge a cub on europe, a cup competition i might add, is flawed. After all the gap between liverpool and chelsea the year they were respective champions of europe and england was huge domestically, tiny on the european stage

The same applies to this situation regarding MUFC, we have a squad despite missing arguably our best player, which has the formula to unlock the premier league's defences, our points tally at this stage of the season given who we have already played is PHENOMINAL

Europe we have lacked this season, and I think you have to look at our overall squad strength, particularly the technical ability of some and I honestly feel it will be addressed in the summer, if it isn't then I'm afraid those who at present don't see the glazers as a threat to united as a top european power need to readdress

If we had spent a lot more money we would probably have a much stronger, technically abled squad but at the same time we would have a huge wage bill and not much left in the bank

The balance is key, and I think this squad with certain additions in the summer is fantastically poised to challenge for european honours again but it may take a year or two of building back up that european playing level which we have dramatically lost this year

Do we have the room now to pay for those additions, well thats where the whole glazernomics come into play. I expect a summer midfielder signing of a proven midfielder to complement tom cleverley and Paul Scholes, I wouldn't hold my breath for much more than this

pele 10:

Captain Marvel No.7:

pele 10:

lucidreams:

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

Maybe you should learn a little about the Glazers before you spout off. My opinion of you hasn´t changed either. Your talking business and I realize the club is in debt as does every MUFC fan. You still haven´t answered my simple question. What are the Glazers doing with the money they are taking out of the club?

@lucidreams - Decent post mate, all i'll say is what value do you class as a major signing £15m, £20m, £25m+?? United cant afford £30m players anymore because of the debt, Sneijder was the perfect example of that last summer. Add to that Berbatov is the only player the Glazers have bought who has cost over £20m in the 7 years they've been here and its kind of all you need to know.

@ pele10 - You ask what the Glazers are doing with the millions they are milking out of us? Well, being honest mate i for one dont want them using it to invest elsewhere so they can pay their sh1tty bonds back in 2017 !! I'd just like them to invest the money the club generates back in the club/team rather than using it to give back to banks for loans, bonds, interest etc. From where i'm stood it doesnt look like anywhere near enough is going back in the team and that speaks volumes for these owners. LUHG.

Captain Marvel No7 just because we aren´t spending bushels of money on players. Tell me how that translates back to the Glazers and as for Sneijder I believe that was totally SAFS idea to give that a pass. SAF sets the transfer targets and I believe whoever he wants he gets. As for what @lucidreams insinuates that SAF is a puppet for the Glazers that to me is rediculous and I think an insult to the intelligence of everyone that reads this thread. Besides this year being a one off with injuries and a glut of experienced players either retiring or being sold on. How has the lack of spending hurt the club. The club we have right now has exciting young players full of talent and once they develop chemistry the way the likes of Giggs, Scholes and the rest of the class of 92 did. We won´t know how much the so called lack of investment has affected the club? To me the future is bright with Gill and SAF running the club with the Glazers support.

How has the lack of spending hurt the club? DId you see any of the performances in the Champions League or Europa League? They couldnt get out of a group consisting of Benfica, Basle and Otelul Galati. Thats not Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich were talking about, its a group we really ought to have qualified from even with our injuries.

We wont know how much the so called lack of investment has affected the club? Again i'll point to our performances in Europe, we really shouldnt be hiding behind the fact we are top of a weak domestic league. Europe has got to be the benchmark on where we are judged and without some decent investment, particularly in our midfield, we'll continue to fall further behind imo.

Captain Marvel No.7:

@lucidreams - Decent post mate, all i'll say is what value do you class as a major signing £15m, £20m, £25m+?? United cant afford £30m players anymore because of the debt, Sneijder was the perfect example of that last summer. Add to that Berbatov is the only player the Glazers have bought who has cost over £20m in the 7 years they've been here and its kind of all you need to know.

When I mention a major signing I mean a player who is going to come in and straight away make our team better. A player who helps raise our play and will bring in the necessary spark that has been missing from some of our play over the past couple of seasons. Whether he comes for £5m,£10m or £30m is not the point. Though with the inflation in transfer market these days we are looking at the minimum £25-£30m for such a player.

People make it sound like we are saints who have only depended on youngsters and academy over the years. Which is a complete and total myth. Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Rudd Van Nistelrooy, Veron, Ferdinand, all these signings broke the British transfer records when they were signed. We have always gone with a combination of youth and one or two marquee signings which gives that quality and the extra something to the team. We paid £27m for Rooney in 2004, £28m for Veron in 2001, £29m for Rio in 2002.

I am in no way suggesting that we should become City and pay ridiculous amount for every player under the sun. I am saying that we have failed to spend money for that one player that would make the team better and that has been the pitfall of the Glazer ownership.

I may be naive but I'm expecting some decent activity this summer. Ferguson is no ones puppet and if he deems that it is necessary to spend money then thats what will happen. Also, I'm certainly no glazer fan but I don't think anyone can really complain about the amount of money we have spent on transfers since they arrived. I think the money was available for Sneijder last year but we decided against buying him due to his age. I think SAF has learned from the Berbatov transfer that spending £30+m on a player in his late 20's is not value for money (and that's no dig at Berbs) I for one believe and agree with SAF that there wasn't much value for money around in the last couple of transfer window's. This time round though the likes of Munian & Hazard are players that have proved themselves at a high level and at their respective ages would represent value for money even at £30+m if you consider we could have at least 10 years quality service out of them. Not saying we will get either bacause no doubt all the big hitters will be sniffing around them but I expect us to be in the running for their signatures. In the last couple of seasons we have also reached the CL final (albeit getting outplayed) and done well domestically so there was no need for drastic transfers, This European campaign will have really hurt SAF and I will be amazed if there isn't a reaction.

im expecting gaitan(or maybe if where really luck hazard) and clyne this summer, no CM again which is worrying

As i see it there is no need to buy players for 30m or more. There is always a younger player with the same potential or more, coming up somewhere in the World. I didn't like it when we bought Berba for 32m, just because of the price not the player himself. When Berba leaves we've got three established strikers, plus Owen. So a young striker, maybe Will Keane, og maybe we buy a young striker, i don't care, but i don't want a 30m striker. I think Clyne is a done deal, and with the old regulations coming back regarding youth players draft, i hope we will invest heavily in the future.

Captain Marvel No.7:

pele 10:

lucidreams:

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

Maybe you should learn a little about the Glazers before you spout off. My opinion of you hasn´t changed either. Your talking business and I realize the club is in debt as does every MUFC fan. You still haven´t answered my simple question. What are the Glazers doing with the money they are taking out of the club?

@lucidreams - Decent post mate, all i'll say is what value do you class as a major signing £15m, £20m, £25m+?? United cant afford £30m players anymore because of the debt, Sneijder was the perfect example of that last summer. Add to that Berbatov is the only player the Glazers have bought who has cost over £20m in the 7 years they've been here and its kind of all you need to know.

@ pele10 - You ask what the Glazers are doing with the millions they are milking out of us? Well, being honest mate i for one dont want them using it to invest elsewhere so they can pay their sh1tty bonds back in 2017 !! I'd just like them to invest the money the club generates back in the club/team rather than using it to give back to banks for loans, bonds, interest etc. From where i'm stood it doesnt look like anywhere near enough is going back in the team and that speaks volumes for these owners. LUHG.

Captain Marvel No7 just because we aren´t spending bushels of money on players. Tell me how that translates back to the Glazers and as for Sneijder I believe that was totally SAFS idea to give that a pass. SAF sets the transfer targets and I believe whoever he wants he gets. As for what @lucidreams insinuates that SAF is a puppet for the Glazers that to me is rediculous and I think an insult to the intelligence of everyone that reads this thread. Besides this year being a one off with injuries and a glut of experienced players either retiring or being sold on. How has the lack of spending hurt the club. The club we have right now has exciting young players full of talent and once they develop chemistry the way the likes of Giggs, Scholes and the rest of the class of 92 did. We won´t know how much the so called lack of investment has affected the club? To me the future is bright with Gill and SAF running the club with the Glazers support.

pele 10:

lucidreams:

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

Maybe you should learn a little about the Glazers before you spout off. My opinion of you hasn´t changed either. Your talking business and I realize the club is in debt as does every MUFC fan. You still haven´t answered my simple question. What are the Glazers doing with the money they are taking out of the club?

@lucidreams - Decent post mate, all i'll say is what value do you class as a major signing £15m, £20m, £25m+?? United cant afford £30m players anymore because of the debt, Sneijder was the perfect example of that last summer. Add to that Berbatov is the only player the Glazers have bought who has cost over £20m in the 7 years they've been here and its kind of all you need to know.

@ pele10 - You ask what the Glazers are doing with the millions they are milking out of us? Well, being honest mate i for one dont want them using it to invest elsewhere so they can pay their sh1tty bonds back in 2017 !! I'd just like them to invest the money the club generates back in the club/team rather than using it to give back to banks for loans, bonds, interest etc. From where i'm stood it doesnt look like anywhere near enough is going back in the team and that speaks volumes for these owners. LUHG.

lucidreams:

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

Maybe you should learn a little about the Glazers before you spout off. My opinion of you hasn´t changed either. Your talking business and I realize the club is in debt as does every MUFC fan. You still haven´t answered my simple question. What are the Glazers doing with the money they are taking out of the club?

Stanley Jones:

Surely its not in Glazers interests to allow United to slip?

Please read the last two paragraphs of the my initial post on this thread for the answer.

pele 10:

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

My position about you and your views hasn't changed from this:

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/225432.aspx?PageIndex=2

Sorry, but this is not a matter in which you show great insight and your posts are naive and uninitiated.

eoinmadden2:

i think we might see a big summer signing due to the wages freed up. Hargreaves, O'Shea, Gibson, Oberton all gone, that has to be the guts of £300k a week?

We signed Young, Jones & DeGea. In addition, we gave improved contracts to Cleverley, Welbeck, Smalling, Hernandez & Valencia. Numbers balance out quite evenly when you take all this into consideration. If you check the latest financial statement the wage burden has increased not decreased.

It is no secret we have a debt but it is being managed. What you say about the Glazers only being concerned about how profitable the club is that is correct. The clubs results on the pitch have nothing to do with the Glazers that is David Gill and SAFs area. The Glazers also have an excellent marketing staff and legal department. If I were to believe what you say about SAF being the Glazers puppet, I´m sorry I don´t. SAF has whatever monies he deems necessary at his disposal during the transfer windows. SAF knows the way of the future is going to be a strong academy and reserves especially once the FFP begins if it is enforced properly. As far as why the club hasn´t been floated on the Asian market there are mixed reports why it hasn´t occurred yet. It depends who you want to believe the Glazer representatives who say they haven´t done it because of how volatile the market is at this time. Then there are the other sources who say the Glazers valuation of the club and the share value is too high. My belief is if SAF thinks a major signing will have a positive impact and fits into his plans then major signings will be made. However based on the past several years SAF has changed his tactics not only on the pitch but the way he builds his squads and I don´t believe for a minute there is interference from the Glazers. I still believe what the Glazers said when they took over they are here for the long haul. Unless you can tell me what the Glazers are doing with the money they are taking out of the club. The only conclusion I can reach is that it is being invested somewhere to be used when the bond payment comes due in 2017 and hopefully make the club debt free.

eoinmadden2:

i think we might see a big summer signing due to the wages freed up. Hargreaves, O'Shea, Gibson, Oberton all gone, that has to be the guts of £300k a week?

And Diouff; plus Berbatov, Macheda and Owen all look set to leave. Owen is on a pay-as-you-play deal, but Berbatov has be on close to 100k a week.

I'd be surprised if we didn't sign at least 2 players. One of them will be somewhat landmark, I'm guessing... a Hazard type player looks inevitable.

Ive stopped thinking about mayor signings for the last 4 years cause there wont be any.Berbatov was the last one.