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  • 18 Apr 2012 2:03 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    To be honest is Messi the best player in the world today? I know he has won the award three years in a row for best player but to be honest I think Real Madrid miss Ronaldo when he is out of the lineup far more then Barca miss Messi. Messi is in a system perfectly suited to his style of play as proven by his and Barcas success. Take a look at his performances and achievements on the international stage.

    George Best was a fantastic football player as well but to say the best ever? Too bad George had so many demons in the closet.

    Really is there a best ever? Look at some of the choices(Pele, Maradonna, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Figo, Raul, Edwards, Sheringham, Charlton, Law)the list is endless. How do you pick just one? What are the rules? It´s a debate that can´t be won because in the end it is personal preference which is what makes watching this game entertaining for everyone.

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  • 17 Apr 2012 2:11 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    jasper99:
    well,what a can remember and the endless videos i"ve seen,i have to choose george best too,as you stated,theres lots of factors that need to be taken into account here,but for pure football,theres probably no better,also given that you could break a leg and not get a red in those days....
    100% agree. What with the leather ball, *** boots and thugs as defenders or midfield, Best was lucky to survive. He was pure genius. Love Messi but Best was best.
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  • 16 Apr 2012 8:49 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    Jamesno10, great post. With or without paragraphs.
    Hindsight is 20 20
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  • 16 Apr 2012 7:41 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    best - 7:
    anyone still on the messi bandwagon? george best all the way. pity off pitch stuff ruined him
    Messi is the best player in the world and when he does retire(long way in the future) i believe he will go down as the greatest ever player.

    Messi and Best are quite similar in how they both played, Best could use both feet were as messi is extremely left sided. Messi's heading is probably better though.

    It is a pity he ruined his career in the fashion he did. Its something i believe he had to live with until he died and thats sad. It was his own fault though and alot of people tried to help but it was never going to be a happy ending!

    I wish he was alive for so many reasons but one main reason id love his opinion on the matter. He was not modest...lol he loved the idea of people seeing him as the Best of all time.

    At my signal unleash Rafael
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  • 16 Apr 2012 4:54 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    U hav to think messi. When u here the old pros who played wiv and against best aswell as pele n some who did the same wiv maradona, say that messi is the best ever, u hav to take notice of them. In all honesty, and this is from a utd fan, I would have to say messi is better than besty. But for me maradona is better than both n the best of all time. That's where I stand.
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  • 16 Apr 2012 4:48 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    anyone still on the messi bandwagon? george best all the way. pity off pitch stuff ruined him
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  • 10 Apr 2012 3:10 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    sorry about that mate i edited, should be fine now
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  • 10 Apr 2012 2:42 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    james no.10:
    interesting thread comparing 2 supremely gifted footballers with very different contextual backgrounds. if it were a question of pure talent than i dont think you can look past george best, Messi is brilliant and staggeringly consistent but George best had a natural ability to change a match when and where he wanted, he scored 179 goals for united in 470 appearances, whilst messi has an admittedly superior 240 in 319 appearances. what these statistics dont take into account is position. George best played in a team flooding with talent, however he was still predominately confined the left wing or inside left as it was back then, this meant that much of his role involved feeding and running off two strikers ahead of him usually dennis law and Sir Bobby Charlton. despite this he still amassed a staggering 179 goals as a MIDFIELDER. Lionel Messi however, has scored the large majority of his goals as 'false number 9' a position and system built around his singular talents, the Barcelona passing metronome of xavi, busquets and iniesta all work to retain possesion and feed messi, barcelona's whole play is centered on creating chances for messi to finish. This lessens the impact of the goals he has scored over george best because both play in completely different positions, inside left, and a false number 9. This only serves to magnify the goalscoring exploits of George Best, he scored as much as a striker despite being a midfielder. if George best had played in this current, unparalleled talented barcelona team, as a false number nine i can guarantee all of you that the number of goals he would have scored would at least double if not more. Furthermore i think messi's current poor form for Argentina, so far he has been unable to even come close to replicating his domestic dominance on the international scene, is as good an indicator as any that Messi's success owes as much to Barcelona as they do to him, messi has played nearly 70 games for argentina and has amassed a relatively meager 22 goalsm he has had every chance to succeed in teams flooded with talent to bring the best out of the diminutive Argentine. George best was never given a chance to truly shine for the northern irish national team and never played at a world cup and if i remember correctly any major tournament though i might be wrong here. despite this he has a record similar to messi's with a strike rate of 9 in 37 caps, both averageing about a goal every three or four matches. Now whilst George best played in a team of comparatively modest talent which was the northern irish team of the 1960s and early 70s and was never given a platform of a major international tournament to showcase his unrivaled ability the same cannot be said of Lionel Messi. Whilst Messi has won an olympic medal his has achieved very little with the national team, despite being given several opportunities to do so including the 2006 and 2010 world cups. in both occasions messi severely underperformed despite being supplied with players ranging from carlos tevez, Sergio Aguero, Diego Milito, Angel Di Maria, Cambiasso, Veron, Javier Pastore and countless other revered talents. for this reason as much as any other it hints that Much of his success is in debt to the outstanding ability of xavi, who in my opinion has a claim to being one of if not the greatest center midfielder of all time. it must be noted however that messi remains a mere 24/25 year old who still has time to prove himself as a player who could perform regardless of what team he was in. It should also be noted that if George Best had played with modern footballing equipment, training, conditioning and indeed discipline to prevent his drinking and other off field indiscretions he would have been an even more explosive player than the one who lit up the theater of dreams all those years ago. Comparitvely if messi were to go back and play alongside Bobby charlton and Paddy Crerand with those massive leather boots mud rather than grass, i dont think he would be anywhere near as effective, in fact he would be lucky to even come close to what George Best Achieved. All in all for the reasons listed above if i were to choose which player of these two wizards i were to say was the more gifted footballer then i don't think you can look past the 'fifth Beatle' George best. "Messi good. Pele better. George Best".
    thanks for the reply but my god please use paragraphs. you have to use html formatting here. enter <> with a P in the middle at the end of every sentence you want a paragraph. .....hence you get a....

    Paragraph

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  • 10 Apr 2012 2:14 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    interesting thread comparing 2 supremely gifted footballers with very different contextual backgrounds. if it were a question of pure talent than i dont think you can look past george best, Messi is brilliant and staggeringly consistent but George best had a natural ability to change a match when and where he wanted, he scored 179 goals for united in 470 appearances, whilst messi has an admittedly superior 240 in 319 appearances. what these statistics dont take into account is position. George best played in a team flooding with talent, however he was still predominately confined the left wing or inside left as it was back then, this meant that much of his role involved feeding and running off two strikers ahead of him usually dennis law and Sir Bobby Charlton. despite this he still amassed a staggering 179 goals as a MIDFIELDER .

    Lionel Messi however, has scored the large majority of his goals as 'false number 9' a position and system built around his singular talents, the Barcelona passing metronome of xavi, busquets and iniesta all work to retain possesion and feed messi, barcelona's whole play is centered on creating chances for messi to finish. This lessens the impact of the goals he has scored over george best because both play in completely different positions, inside left, and a false number 9. This only serves to magnify the goalscoring exploits of George Best, he scored as much as a striker despite being a midfielder. if George best had played in this current, unparalleled talented barcelona team, as a false number nine i can guarantee all of you that the number of goals he would have scored would at least double if not more.

    Furthermore i think messi's current poor form for Argentina, so far he has been unable to even come close to replicating his domestic dominance on the international scene, is as good an indicator as any that Messi's success owes as much to Barcelona as they do to him, messi has played nearly 70 games for argentina and has amassed a relatively meager 22 goalsm he has had every chance to succeed in teams flooded with talent to bring the best out of the diminutive Argentine. George best was never given a chance to truly shine for the northern irish national team and never played at a world cup and if i remember correctly any major tournament though i might be wrong here. despite this he has a record similar to messi's with a strike rate of 9 in 37 caps, both averageing about a goal every three or four matches.

    Now whilst George best played in a team of comparatively modest talent which was the northern irish team of the 1960s and early 70s and was never given a platform of a major international tournament to showcase his unrivaled ability the same cannot be said of Lionel Messi. Whilst Messi has won an olympic medal his has achieved very little with the national team, despite being given several opportunities to do so including the 2006 and 2010 world cups. in both occasions messi severely underperformed despite being supplied with players ranging from carlos tevez, Sergio Aguero, Diego Milito, Angel Di Maria, Cambiasso, Veron, Javier Pastore and countless other revered talents. for this reason as much as any other it hints that Much of his success is in debt to the outstanding ability of xavi, who in my opinion has a claim to being one of if not the greatest center midfielder of all time. it must be noted however that messi remains a mere 24/25 year old who still has time to prove himself as a player who could perform regardless of what team he was in.

    It should also be noted that if George Best had played with modern footballing equipment, training, conditioning and indeed discipline to prevent his drinking and other off field indiscretions he would have been an even more explosive player than the one who lit up the theater of dreams all those years ago. Comparitvely if messi were to go back and play alongside Bobby charlton and Paddy Crerand with those massive leather boots mud rather than grass, i dont think he would be anywhere near as effective, in fact he would be lucky to even come close to what George Best Achieved. All in all for the reasons listed above if i were to choose which player of these two wizards i were to say was the more gifted footballer then i don't think you can look past the 'fifth Beatle' George best. "Messi good. Pele better. George Best".

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  • 9 Apr 2012 11:03 AM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    georgie boy never had the protection messi has,and the pitches now(carpets) but both magicians,sheer class
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  • 9 Apr 2012 9:27 AM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    What's vital in the OP comment is the word "talent"

    That means leaving out the following in your consideration:

    BEST

    Bumpy and muddy pitches

    Alcohol consumption and partying

    The general feeling that what's going on today is better than what went on a few years ago.

    Length of career and goals scored

    MESSI

    Better modern day training techniques and diet

    Standard of pitches and football

    Team surrounding him bringing out the best in him

    Time to think of the players talent alone and then decide that best was the BEST.

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  • 8 Apr 2012 2:46 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    Messi is, without a doubt one of the best players we will ever see and will go on to be mentioned in the same sentences as pele etc. BUT as many have pointed out, the likes of messi and Ronaldo etc play such a different game to that which Best played, you have to say that Best is the better player. Best played on diabolical pitches (by todays standards) with heavy, awkward boots and had people like Chelsea's 'Chopper Harris' smashing into him at every availible oppertunity. Don't get me wrong messi is a strong player but he couldn't have been the player he is today playing in those conditions. That's what makes best the player he was, he had very little protection and still tore teams apart single handedly. Quite simply Best is the best player of all time. FACT!
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  • 8 Apr 2012 1:01 PM
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    Re: George Best or Messi?

    I had the pleasure of watching Best play in the seventies . Taking in consideration the pitch, ball , boots, lack of protection from refs ect , it has to be Best by far .
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  • 7 Apr 2012 7:51 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    FOREVER SCHOLES:
    Modern footballers will always be far and away better than previous generations. Anyone thinks Best and Edwards could come back and dominate world football is severely mistaken.
    I'm sorry, but you're talking absolute sh1te.
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  • 7 Apr 2012 6:31 PM

    Re: George Best or Messi?

    PaulScholes18:
    BuggsyMalone:
    Too many ppl got rose tinted glasses on. Best was unreal yes but Messi is better.

    Messi is breaking record after record. Whether it be most goals in Europe, highest scorer for Barca, most goals in a season etc.. Won player of the year 3 times in a row. No doubt going to be 4 and probably 5

    He's the best player that has ever lived. Without a doubt.
    This fella says it all, Messi is something else, I don't think there's ever been anyone even close to him.
    you gotta be kidding man,,you are obviously too young to have a balanced judgement,,maradona in his prime would kick his a s s ,the man is and was a phenomenon...
    remembering games daisy chains and laughs got to keep the looneys on the path
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