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  • 17 Apr 2012 12:54 PM

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    It's better if we go with what we have. Even though Berbatov seems likely to leave, Owen's a good backup. Honestly, why buy a striker when we'll have another Berbatov situation, this time with Chicharito or Welbeck? We'll be back to where we were: 4 forwards: Rooney, Welbeck/Chicharito, new striker, Owen.

    The reason why Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, and Solskjaer worked so well is because all were at their peaks. None were developing players who needed first-team football to improve their game. They were already fully developed players and thus didn't need regular first-team football to improve but just to keep sharp. That's why they could afford to be rotated.

    It's a different scenario with Welbeck and Chicharito. Both are at an age where they will need regular first-team football to improve their game. Why risk that by getting another established striker or Berbatov ahead of both? Both need to develop their game, and regular first-team football is the way to go. Both have had that in spells, whilst 30-year-old Berbatov had to sadly give way to both for their development.

    Once both Chicharito and Welbeck are developed, then they can afford to be rotated just like Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, and Solskjaer were.

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  • 16 Apr 2012 7:12 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    mosley909:
    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    Very happy with Berbatov playing ahead of Hernandez today. This should give him a boot up the backside. Chicha will step up his game now, I'm sure of it.
    I thought you'd be happy. All about competition
    berba looked like he was asleep when he came on, wiping the sleep from his eyes, seems like he just waiting to leave in summer

    and if hernandez need a kick up the ass after already been drop for welbeck thier somthing wrong thier

    to be honest i could understand berba and Hernandez having slight bad attitudes both had good seasons last year, and both have been pushed aside this year by welbeck, who has had a mixed year!!

    He didn't set the world alight (Berbatov) did he? Wouldn't you say Hernandez's injuries are what has kept him out of the side? As for Welbeck I think he has earned his place, Hernandez has had a couple of poor performances lately so....... that's not to say Welbeck has been perfect, but I personally think his contribution has been greater, which is probably more to do with how each player has been used.

    I know what your saying about Hernandez not needing a kick up the ass, however my earlier replies explain why I still think it might have been necessary.

    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 16 Apr 2012 6:56 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    Very happy with Berbatov playing ahead of Hernandez today. This should give him a boot up the backside. Chicha will step up his game now, I'm sure of it.
    I thought you'd be happy. All about competition
    Lol! Not quite, but some people thrive on it. Hope Hernandez does. Maybe he doesn't and he just needs time either way I don't think it will have hurt him much, and we got the result we wanted. It really surprised me actually as I didn't really expect to see Berbatov again. On the other point about Macheda, some rumour about him going to Benfica has now surfaced. This wouldn't make any sense to me. I'd like to see him on the fringes here for at least another year.
    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 16 Apr 2012 6:54 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    Lol! Not quite, but some people thrive on it. Hope Hernandez does. Maybe he doesn't and he just needs time either way I don't think it will have hurt him much, and we got the result we wanted. It really surprised me actually as I didn't really expect to see Berbatov again. On the other point about Macheda, some rumour about him going to Benfica has now surfaced. This wouldn't make any sense to me. I'd like to see him on the fringes here for at least another year.
    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 15 Apr 2012 5:40 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    Very happy with Berbatov playing ahead of Hernandez today. This should give him a boot up the backside. Chicha will step up his game now, I'm sure of it.
    I thought you'd be happy. All about competition
    berba looked like he was asleep when he came on, wiping the sleep from his eyes, seems like he just waiting to leave in summer

    and if hernandez need a kick up the ass after already been drop for welbeck thier somthing wrong thier

    to be honest i could understand berba and Hernandez having slight bad attitudes both had good seasons last year, and both have been pushed aside this year by welbeck, who has had a mixed year!!
    You are my Solskjaer my Ole Solskjaer You make me happy when skies are grey
    Oh Alan Shearer was F ing dearer please dont take my Solskjaer away
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  • 15 Apr 2012 5:27 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    we'llbeback:
    Very happy with Berbatov playing ahead of Hernandez today. This should give him a boot up the backside. Chicha will step up his game now, I'm sure of it.
    I thought you'd be happy. All about competition
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  • 15 Apr 2012 5:26 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    we'llbeback:
    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    At the moment our strikers are lacking competition. Welbeck and Hernandez are almost certain of game time. Berbatov is obviously out of favour, so there's nothing to give them an edge. This is not the answer, it's just one thing that would help, at the minute, both in training and on the pitch. Might be a good time to drop one of them and give one of the reserves a 20min run out.
    There's a competition between Welbeck and Hernandez for who starts with rooney. Whoever is more in form gets more game time. Based on that,I think your argument is flawed. Dropping them in the reserves wont get the desired effect. That just shows a lack of faith. Have you forgot about Owen? You dont want to tread the line of having too many or too few strikers. it's a squad game so it's important to keep everyone happy. I think we're okay for now. There's some promising strikers coming from the reserves. Although in the meantime, we might buy another striker.

    Nonetheless, buying a striker is not a necessity for the summer. Fixing our midfield issues is

    I wouldn't drop any of them into the reserves. Perhaps I could have been more clear about that. Your absolutely right that it would show a lack of faith which would be detrimental to the player. The tactful way would be to start two forwards and name two on the bench and perhaps give the new lad a 20 minute run out, subject to circumstances of the fixture in question.

    I haven't forgot about Owen, I just think he offers virtually zero competition for a place. I think if Owen was fit, he would have featured in several of the last six games ahead of either Hernandez or Welbeck.

    You are correct when you say there is competition for a starting place, but there is always a high probability that both players will feature during any given game, at the moment, and I am sure that this is always in the back of their minds somewhere.

    I have to give credit to Carrick here. He has next to zero competition and has been consistent throughout the season

    I tried replying to you the other day but it wouldnt go through. Was just gonna say that you make a good point about Macheda. If he does indeed become 4th choice striker it would be a pretty good situation. He's young so he'd be content with not getting as much game time and hopefully he can make some strides to show that he is ready to receive more game time.
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  • 15 Apr 2012 5:18 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    we'llbeback:
    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    At the moment our strikers are lacking competition. Welbeck and Hernandez are almost certain of game time. Berbatov is obviously out of favour, so there's nothing to give them an edge. This is not the answer, it's just one thing that would help, at the minute, both in training and on the pitch. Might be a good time to drop one of them and give one of the reserves a 20min run out.
    There's a competition between Welbeck and Hernandez for who starts with rooney. Whoever is more in form gets more game time. Based on that,I think your argument is flawed. Dropping them in the reserves wont get the desired effect. That just shows a lack of faith. Have you forgot about Owen? You dont want to tread the line of having too many or too few strikers. it's a squad game so it's important to keep everyone happy. I think we're okay for now. There's some promising strikers coming from the reserves. Although in the meantime, we might buy another striker.

    Nonetheless, buying a striker is not a necessity for the summer. Fixing our midfield issues is

    I wouldn't drop any of them into the reserves. Perhaps I could have been more clear about that. Your absolutely right that it would show a lack of faith which would be detrimental to the player. The tactful way would be to start two forwards and name two on the bench and perhaps give the new lad a 20 minute run out, subject to circumstances of the fixture in question.

    I haven't forgot about Owen, I just think he offers virtually zero competition for a place. I think if Owen was fit, he would have featured in several of the last six games ahead of either Hernandez or Welbeck.

    You are correct when you say there is competition for a starting place, but there is always a high probability that both players will feature during any given game, at the moment, and I am sure that this is always in the back of their minds somewhere.

    I have to give credit to Carrick here. He has next to zero competition and has been consistent throughout the season

    Very happy with Berbatov playing ahead of Hernandez today. This should give him a boot up the backside. Chicha will step up his game now, I'm sure of it.
    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 14 Apr 2012 5:47 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    cant see what berbatov done wrong,at least he can see a pass when the play is tight in the box.
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  • 14 Apr 2012 5:16 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    ManUtdlova4ever:
    we'llbeback:
    At the moment our strikers are lacking competition. Welbeck and Hernandez are almost certain of game time. Berbatov is obviously out of favour, so there's nothing to give them an edge. This is not the answer, it's just one thing that would help, at the minute, both in training and on the pitch. Might be a good time to drop one of them and give one of the reserves a 20min run out.
    There's a competition between Welbeck and Hernandez for who starts with rooney. Whoever is more in form gets more game time. Based on that,I think your argument is flawed. Dropping them in the reserves wont get the desired effect. That just shows a lack of faith. Have you forgot about Owen? You dont want to tread the line of having too many or too few strikers. it's a squad game so it's important to keep everyone happy. I think we're okay for now. There's some promising strikers coming from the reserves. Although in the meantime, we might buy another striker.

    Nonetheless, buying a striker is not a necessity for the summer. Fixing our midfield issues is

    I wouldn't drop any of them into the reserves. Perhaps I could have been more clear about that. Your absolutely right that it would show a lack of faith which would be detrimental to the player. The tactful way would be to start two forwards and name two on the bench and perhaps give the new lad a 20 minute run out, subject to circumstances of the fixture in question.

    I haven't forgot about Owen, I just think he offers virtually zero competition for a place. I think if Owen was fit, he would have featured in several of the last six games ahead of either Hernandez or Welbeck.

    You are correct when you say there is competition for a starting place, but there is always a high probability that both players will feature during any given game, at the moment, and I am sure that this is always in the back of their minds somewhere.

    I have to give credit to Carrick here. He has next to zero competition and has been consistent throughout the season

    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 14 Apr 2012 4:42 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    mark.k.:
    Tuor:
    IHateThisPart:
    No. We already have 3 prolific goal scorers on the team (who actually complement each other quite well). However, they've been outdone by the fluctuating play of our midfield. Solidify the midfield and we become almost unstoppable. Simple
    I am all for defending our players, but as it stands, we have only one prolific goal scorer at the club. Welbeck and Hernandez are a long way off being prolific.
    I agree. Rooney is prolific. Nobody else is. Midfield and striker needed.
    If we continue to play Rooney as we are ( which he seems to like), then we are going to need another forward I think. Even if it's just to add competition. The funny thing is I think it's going to be Macheda. SAF seems to think quite highly of him. There's no point in having Macheda at the club unless he is amongst our top four forwards, he's desperate for game time. I think he might surprise some people too.
    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 14 Apr 2012 3:40 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    we'llbeback:
    At the moment our strikers are lacking competition. Welbeck and Hernandez are almost certain of game time. Berbatov is obviously out of favour, so there's nothing to give them an edge. This is not the answer, it's just one thing that would help, at the minute, both in training and on the pitch. Might be a good time to drop one of them and give one of the reserves a 20min run out.
    There's a competition between Welbeck and Hernandez for who starts with rooney. Whoever is more in form gets more game time. Based on that,I think your argument is flawed. Dropping them in the reserves wont get the desired effect. That just shows a lack of faith. Have you forgot about Owen? You dont want to tread the line of having too many or too few strikers. it's a squad game so it's important to keep everyone happy. I think we're okay for now. There's some promising strikers coming from the reserves. Although in the meantime, we might buy another striker.

    Nonetheless, buying a striker is not a necessity for the summer. Fixing our midfield issues is

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  • 14 Apr 2012 3:21 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    Better service and midfielders...everyone else in the team has been screwed around by an inept mid that cant create or maintain possession in meaningful areas,,no more two man mids.. no more giggs Carrick combo's.. have 3 in the middle for a start and work from there.. you can still have wing play if the defenders are used as overlaps and provide crosses..make sure that against faster mids you have atleast 3 or have skilled players that can shift at the same tempo.... scholes/cleverely/carrick or scholes cleverely pogba/ or start of with cleverly pogba/ or cleverely carrick then add as you see fit...still till they know how to play together, NO MORE 2 MAN
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  • 14 Apr 2012 2:20 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    At the moment our strikers are lacking competition. Welbeck and Hernandez are almost certain of game time. Berbatov is obviously out of favour, so there's nothing to give them an edge. This is not the answer, it's just one thing that would help, at the minute, both in training and on the pitch. Might be a good time to drop one of them and give one of the reserves a 20min run out.
    Post whatever rubbish you like and if people disagree then just play the opinion card
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  • 14 Apr 2012 2:09 PM

    Re: Do we need a prolifc goalscorer in the summer?

    Jamesey:
    Still no answer to the question. Do you guys thing Welbeck and Hernandez will both be happy no longer competing for the first team?

    Seriously, people suggesting Cavani, Higuin and Benzema, how happy do you think Hernandez and Welbeck would be, seeing players not much older than them, coming in and taking a first team place for the entire foreseeable future??

    Welbeck would stay but I'd be less sure of Hernandez just because of his situation at Chivas. He's willing to wait as well but I dont think he'd be as patient as Welbeck. That being said, I dont think we're bringing players like Cavani. If we're bringing in a forward, it's going to be another young one that's willing to rotate in and out of the team. SAF is all about the squad game and those players that people suggested would demand to play the majority of games.
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