Dee Ulsterman:

Like it or not Berba is by far our most skilful player we have at the club. Probably the most naturally gifted player in the entire league. His first touch is usually immense. You can not give him any flack, for a player of his ability to sit on the bench and not complain should be noted. He would easily walk on to the first team of any side in the premier league.

Enough has been said about his frailties and as to why SAF does not rate him anymore. No need to add anything else. If he was good enough he would be in the team.

mimi112:

mancrh:

Wait, Mimi, let me get this straight, the people from the otherside of the pitch were responsibile for Blackburn's 3 goals?

Berba scored twice on one end of the pitch (the Blackburn end) and the people at the other end of the pitch aka our "defense" also conceded. All I'm stating is that you remember there is enough blame to go round.

You seem not to be able to grasp that, it is a team sport

In 20 seasons of the Premier League United have never conceded more goals at Old Trafford. Our latest against Everton, this was also the seventh time this season they have conceded three or more.

You can blame one striker for all our defeats all you want but the stats you love to repeat so much tell a different story.

Go and look for the statistic that says Berba scored and he was at fault for us the conceding all the goals and eventual defeats.

When the master SAF talks about our defence leaking in goals and you talk about 1 striker being the cause then I know that something is wrong in your reasoning somewhere. I listen to the Boss and perhaps you should too.

Well done for doing his job, right after giving one of the most stupid penalties I've seen. Right, so it's a team sport when he's playing and we don't win, yet when we're doing better without him, he's needed? But I thought it was a team sport...

mancrh:

Wait, Mimi, let me get this straight, the people from the otherside of the pitch were responsibile for Blackburn's 3 goals?

Berba scored twice on one end of the pitch (the Blackburn end) and the people at the other end of the pitch aka our "defense" also conceded. All I'm stating is that you remember there is enough blame to go round.

You seem not to be able to grasp that, it is a team sport

In 20 seasons of the Premier League United have never conceded more goals at Old Trafford. Our latest against Everton, this was also the seventh time this season they have conceded three or more.

You can blame one striker for all our defeats all you want but the stats you love to repeat so much tell a different story.

Go and look for the statistic that says Berba scored and he was at fault for us the conceding all the goals and eventual defeats.

When the master SAF talks about our defence leaking in goals and you talk about 1 striker being the cause then I know that something is wrong in your reasoning somewhere. I listen to the Boss and perhaps you should too.

andrea71:

mimi112:

andrea71:

mimi112:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

Haha!! Spot on. It's the same statistic over and over again. I would have said however, defense was leaky, but of course Dimitar would get the blame.

Its almost lazy at this point, the bashing. The same thing goes for the Midfield bashing.

I get that people don't like the player and he has not always crowned himself in glory but blaming him only for the 8points missed is pathetic really.

Not really mimi112, one of the games Berbatov cost us was the game against Blackburn at Old Trafford on New Year's Eve.

Of course yes! The defeat against Blackburn game. That's it? Gosh! I thought there were many more this season where we lost and it was all Berba's fault.

It is being here that he cost us many games this season which is not true, you can blame a player for not scoring enough but there is also blame for the defense leaking in goals. It goes both ways, however that fact seems to be ignored in order to push a sentiment.

It would be more credible to be objective, by highlighting all the thing that went wrong. We did not play well, all the players.

No one is asking that anybody glorify Berbatov, I couldn't care less. I am just gently reminding, that there were other players present on the pitch at the time in that game. Who were not not good as well.

How did Blackburn score their last goal? Did Berba throw it into our own net?

Objectivity when bashing please. It's all I ask

You are defending Berbatov very badly and no, Berbatov did not throw into our own net. When it was 0-0, Blackburn had possession and then Berbatov fouled Aiyegbeni Yakobu of Blackburn in the penalty area.

Andrea

oooh exactly, he gave away a penalty but then scored 2 goals to make of for it. What happened to let in a 2 and 3rd? Who was to blame for those goals? The Striker who had attoned? Why make of for it by scoring if your just going to be conceding

Let me help with that: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/manchester-united-blackburn-rovers-report

14 min: Blackburn win a penalty after Dimitar Berbatov grabs Chris Samba by the shirt and drags him to the ground in the United penalty area. GOAL! Manchester United 0-1 Blackburn Rovers (Yakubu) Yakubu sends David De Gea the wrong way, calmly stroking the ball inside the left upright after waiting for the goalkeeper to make his move.

GOAL! MANCHESTER UNITED 0-2 BLACKBURN ROVERS (Yakubu 50) Astonishing stuff! Yakubu takes advantage of some faffing by Michael Carrick on the left flank, powers past Jones and rifles the ball past David De Gea. Bottom of the table Blackburn are two goals to the good.

GOAL! Manchester United 1-2 Blackburn Rovers (Berbatov 52) After a fluffed clearance in the Blackburn penalty area, the ball drops kindly for Rafael, who tries a shot. His effort fizzes across the face of goal and Berbatov gets between defenders to head home from about four yards out.

GOAL! Manchester United 2-2 Blackburn Rovers (Berbatov 62) Antonio Valencia powers down the right flank, outpacing Henley. Just before reaching the byline, he cuts the ball back to Berbatov, standing near the penalty spot. The Bulgarian has to reach behind him with his left foot before calmly clipping the ball low and hard past Mark Bunn. It was a difficult finish made to look very easy.

So what at the end?

GOAL! Manchester United 2-3 Blackburn Rovers (Hanley 80)| Normality is resumed as Blackburn go back in front. From a corner, David De Gea dashed off his line and flapped at the ball. It was headed goalwards by - I think - Samba, then Grant Hanley followed up to head home just inside the right upright from a couple of yards out. It's his first ever career goal!

83 min: That was terrible goalkeeping from De Gea, who had absolutely no business going for that ball and not getting it. His manager will be furious. The big question now is whether or not Blackburn can hold out for another 10 minutes? And if they do, how will their fans react to Steve Kean at their next home games? A win here and Rovers will have taken four points from visits to Anfield and Old Trafford, after all. No doubt they'll see it as two points dropped.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story though hmmm

Go and look for the statistic that says Berba scored and he was at fault for us the conceding all "3" goals and eventual defeats.

mancrh:

Wait, Mimi, let me get this straight, the people from the otherside of the pitch were responsibile for Blackburn's 3 goals?

I think Mimi is not telling the truth. Berbatov cost us the game against Blackburn.

Wait, Mimi, let me get this straight, the people from the otherside of the pitch were responsibile for Blackburn's 3 goals?

mimi112:

andrea71:

mimi112:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

Haha!! Spot on. It's the same statistic over and over again. I would have said however, defense was leaky, but of course Dimitar would get the blame.

Its almost lazy at this point, the bashing. The same thing goes for the Midfield bashing.

I get that people don't like the player and he has not always crowned himself in glory but blaming him only for the 8points missed is pathetic really.

Not really mimi112, one of the games Berbatov cost us was the game against Blackburn at Old Trafford on New Year's Eve.

Of course yes! The defeat against Blackburn game. That's it? Gosh! I thought there were many more this season where we lost and it was all Berba's fault.

It is being here that he cost us many games this season which is not true, you can blame a player for not scoring enough but there is also blame for the defense leaking in goals. It goes both ways, however that fact seems to be ignored in order to push a sentiment.

It would be more credible to be objective, by highlighting all the thing that went wrong. We did not play well, all the players.

No one is asking that anybody glorify Berbatov, I couldn't care less. I am just gently reminding, that there were other players present on the pitch at the time in that game. Who were not not good as well.

How did Blackburn score their last goal? Did Berba throw it into our own net?

Objectivity when bashing please. It's all I ask

You are defending Berbatov very badly and no, Berbatov did not throw into our own net. When it was 0-0, Blackburn had possession and then Berbatov fouled Aiyegbeni Yakobu of Blackburn in the penalty area.

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

nazamodin Rumjaun:

Berba is lazy and always waits for the ball to come to him!He doesn't look for the ball or fight for it like Welbeck or Rooney! He won't be of much use to us against City!

It's about effectiveness, my boy.

Or lack of, kid.

4-4 is the answer, my boy. Plus, check the statistic files, if you don't mind.

Which stats will you be looking for, kid? Berba's inability to score without Rooney being there to hold his hand (unless we're playing a Championship side that is)?

Hell yeah! Rooney made him top-scorer last season, alleluiah!! OK. Cut this blah-blah, kid, read the statistics.

Haha don't need to, I was attending games when you were having a good *** over your national treasure. Remember his top class run of 10 starts without a goal last season? Go on, kid, have a guess who left when it started and came back to hold Berba's hand when it ended. Guessing already, kid?

Like it or not Berba is by far our most skilful player we have at the club. Probably the most naturally gifted player in the entire league. His first touch is usually immense. You can not give him any flack, for a player of his ability to sit on the bench and not complain should be noted. He would easily walk on to the first team of any side in the premier league.

mancrh:

mimi112:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

8 out of 15 when he started, 76 out of 90 when he didn't. Any more questions?

Oh dear and the defense, midfield and goalkeeper were blameless. And the defeat with Wigan? Newcastle? City?

That was all Berba?

Evil defence only playing when Berba isn't in the squad to make him look bad. Haha didn't he play when we lost to Newcastle or was it my imgination? I'm going to have a good laugh if you're comparing losing to *** Blackburn with losing to Citeh.

Oh dear!! Even Fergie has admitted this. This season there has been a pattern of serious defensive lapses in concentration.

He scored in the Blackburn game no? However another end of the pitch where people play football also let in 3 Goals.

He didnt score against Newcastle, so he gets the blame for the entire defeat meanwhile I remember another striker that refused to score, during the Newcastle game but he didnt cost us the game and the defence and Midfield that let Newcastle outplay us, didnt also cost us the game.

Why is this?

Listen!1 Your age is showing. Football is a Team sport. Win as a team and lose as a Team

When a player is slacking, the others do not have to be, you step it up or you get him off. When Berba went off in the 58th Minute, Rooney and Welbeck still had 30+ mins to play, but they didn't score.

But according to you, that was Berba's fault as well, and the glorious Phil Jones's own goal, was carried by the lazy bulgarian into the net.

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

nazamodin Rumjaun:

Berba is lazy and always waits for the ball to come to him!He doesn't look for the ball or fight for it like Welbeck or Rooney! He won't be of much use to us against City!

It's about effectiveness, my boy.

Or lack of, kid.

4-4 is the answer, my boy. Plus, check the statistic files, if you don't mind.

Which stats will you be looking for, kid? Berba's inability to score without Rooney being there to hold his hand (unless we're playing a Championship side that is)?

Hell yeah! Rooney made him top-scorer last season, alleluiah!! OK. Cut this blah-blah, kid, read the statistics.

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

nazamodin Rumjaun:

Berba is lazy and always waits for the ball to come to him!He doesn't look for the ball or fight for it like Welbeck or Rooney! He won't be of much use to us against City!

It's about effectiveness, my boy.

Or lack of, kid.

4-4 is the answer, my boy. Plus, check the statistic files, if you don't mind.

Which stats will you be looking for, kid? Berba's inability to score without Rooney being there to hold his hand (unless we're playing a Championship side that is)?

mimi112:

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

8 out of 15 when he started, 76 out of 90 when he didn't. Any more questions?

Oh dear and the defense, midfield and goalkeeper were blameless. And the defeat with Wigan? Newcastle? City?

That was all Berba?

Evil defence only playing when Berba isn't in the squad to make him look bad. Haha didn't he play when we lost to Newcastle or was it my imgination? I'm going to have a good laugh if you're comparing losing to *** Blackburn with losing to Citeh.

andrea71:

mimi112:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

Haha!! Spot on. It's the same statistic over and over again. I would have said however, defense was leaky, but of course Dimitar would get the blame.

Its almost lazy at this point, the bashing. The same thing goes for the Midfield bashing.

I get that people don't like the player and he has not always crowned himself in glory but blaming him only for the 8points missed is pathetic really.

Not really mimi112, one of the games Berbatov cost us was the game against Blackburn at Old Trafford on New Year's Eve.

Of course yes! The defeat against Blackburn game. That's it? Gosh! I thought there were many more this season where we lost and it was all Berba's fault.

It is being here that he cost us many games this season which is not true, you can blame a player for not scoring enough but there is also blame for the defense leaking in goals. It goes both ways, however that fact seems to be ignored in order to push a sentiment.

It would be more credible to be objective, by highlighting all the thing that went wrong. We did not play well, all the players.

No one is asking that anybody glorify Berbatov, I couldn't care less. I am just gently reminding, that there were other players present on the pitch at the time in that game. Who were not not good as well.

How did Blackburn score their last goal? Did Berba throw it into our own net?

Objectivity when bashing please. It's all I ask

mancrh:

Jerry Statler:

mancrh:

andy19850:

i hope fergie leaving berba out for most of the season doesnt affect united title fight when he played earlier in the year he can still score goals, just hasnt had enough games!

Funny we lost 8 points in games he started.

ANd how about the games Rooney started? Or Hernandez? Or Welbeck? Oh, excuse me, I forgot - Berbatov is supposed to win the games all by himself, despite the pathetic defenders, missing midfield and unstable goalkeeper. Amen!

8 out of 15 when he started, 76 out of 90 when he didn't. Any more questions?

Oh dear and the defense, midfield and goalkeeper were blameless. And the defeat with Wigan? Newcastle? City?

That was all Berba?