jcamanay:

Wayne Wall:

We need to get rid of several players and spend money on quality replacements. Park is DONE - forget the rubbish about he wasn't match fit, he hasn't been playing because the last time he was in the team (when he was match fit) he was completely ineffective and was showing a total lack of energy, like he did last night. The guy is done. Giggs - his arrogance is keeping him in the squad when for the good of the club he supposedly loves he should be quitting. Carrick, Rooney and Ferdinand were the only good players last night, although I do agree that it never seems to be Rio's fault when a header goes in from a corner, it was always someone else's man! Sorry Rio but maybe you should be marking the most dangerous attackers, you have the experience and size to cope, don't blame a kid like Chris Smalling who hasn't played in ages and doesn't have your experience. Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Anderson, Fletcher...loads of these guys need to go and we need players like Bale, Hazard, Gaitan, Kagawa, sorry but it's true. Silva, Aguero and Nasri were making fun of us last night and that's because they're top, top players. And were they cheap? NO. But you get what you pay for in life. We need to turf out the dross and bring in a couple of players of real quality. This is Manchester United and we shouldn't be going anywhere looking for a 0-0, this club's history is to attack with confidence. Fergie picked that team out of fear, because he knows we don't have the players to compete with City. Rooney was great again last night but he cannot do it on his own. Rant over.

This time it wasn't Rio's fault, he was marking the dangerous attakers like aguero. Kompany is a defender.....Hate the fact that comentators (Mark Tyler) say that Welbeck has had a tremendous season when he hasn't, he had a good game vs everton and a good game before that was vs city in the FA cup, other than that nothing...they get to excited to easily. Then they go calling Heranandez as being in a second season syndrome..Let me put it this way...he had a concussion at the begining of the season..then chelsea almost broke his leg, then he had some ankle ligament tear at villa....yet he has still manage to score 12 goals this season. To me Rooney did not have an excellent game..he was frustated all night..he looked like hernandez looks when he doesn't get much support...This game is one of those games that who ever made a mistake will lose..and thats what happened..The best teams lose too...look at Madrid and Barcelona...they are out of the champions...and no one expected that..

jcamanay you took the words right outta my mouth! Thanks for taking the time to type out my post :-) However I would add Carrick to the players who need to go albeit he did play well last night! It showed how much we miss Vidic when Kompany scored! Nemanja would have put his forehead through Kompanys face to stop that header!

Sorry have to reply to smartx. So we have never had any true great players at united in SAF era bar Ronaldo. Have you forgotten Cantona? Arguably the best player ever in the premiership. What about Scmieichal? Easily the greatest goalkeeper of all time. Paul Scholes in his prime was twice the player Xavi or Iniesta is now or ever will be, ask Zidane who he thought the best player was. Vidic is every bit as good as Nesta. Cannot think of any left winger with Giggs quality during his prime and I would pick Beckham over Ronaldo for right wing spot any day of the week. Now dont get me started on forwards....Ruud was a goal machine, Andy Cole, although took a few seasons to settle formed one of the best forward pairings in prem history with Dwight Yorke. Then there was Keane...Ok maybe not technically brilliant as many players but the greatest captain we have had and had the amazing ability to raise everyones game who is around him regardless of how good they were. Rooney is a great player but needs support, he is not a lone striker. I admit we dont have any current world class players bar Rooney and to be honest I think your opinion of Jones and Cleverly is much over-rated, they are good players and will improve but I doubt they will be world class. Compare Scholes at 24 to Cleverly....there is no comparisson. The best hope we have for one of our youngsters to become world class is De Gea, he just needs to get experience and start commanding his area better, he as already proven how good a shot stopper he is. The reason why we can compete in Europe bar this year against teams with better players is experience and we play as a team which will always beat a team with great individuals. Thats why barcelona are so good they have the same principles of united in that its a team game but they do it with world class players which only makes them better. Real Madrid usually lose to Barcalona soley because of that reason as players like ronaldo and benzema are more individual than the likes of Messi and Xavi. Saying we have never had any truely great players is the most insane quote I had ever read anywhere.

at least during SAF era, the team has never had one true great player except for ronaldo otherwise no ronaldinho, kaka, messi, xavi, iniesta, roberto carlos, nesta, maldini, once we thought we had, they turned out to be flops veron.... do we honestly think rooney is at the same level at these players ? yet somehow, we're always contenders in europe with good or very good players... remember guys we've been in 3 of the last 4 champions league finals, and more semifinals.... we're always there or thereabout... i can see one or two players can be great ie. cleverly and phil jones...

Wayne wall: I like how you say Giggs needs to go and then mention Gaitan... Obviously you are just relying on hype and computer games to base opinion... Giggs has outplayed Gaitan this season and even last season... Hell Park this season still isnt that far off Gaitan.. Park atleast still manages to find the net more this season too.

Wayne Wall:

We need to get rid of several players and spend money on quality replacements. Park is DONE - forget the rubbish about he wasn't match fit, he hasn't been playing because the last time he was in the team (when he was match fit) he was completely ineffective and was showing a total lack of energy, like he did last night. The guy is done. Giggs - his arrogance is keeping him in the squad when for the good of the club he supposedly loves he should be quitting. Carrick, Rooney and Ferdinand were the only good players last night, although I do agree that it never seems to be Rio's fault when a header goes in from a corner, it was always someone else's man! Sorry Rio but maybe you should be marking the most dangerous attackers, you have the experience and size to cope, don't blame a kid like Chris Smalling who hasn't played in ages and doesn't have your experience. Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Anderson, Fletcher...loads of these guys need to go and we need players like Bale, Hazard, Gaitan, Kagawa, sorry but it's true. Silva, Aguero and Nasri were making fun of us last night and that's because they're top, top players. And were they cheap? NO. But you get what you pay for in life. We need to turf out the dross and bring in a couple of players of real quality. This is Manchester United and we shouldn't be going anywhere looking for a 0-0, this club's history is to attack with confidence. Fergie picked that team out of fear, because he knows we don't have the players to compete with City. Rooney was great again last night but he cannot do it on his own. Rant over.

This time it wasn't Rio's fault, he was marking the dangerous attakers like aguero. Kompany is a defender.....Hate the fact that comentators (Mark Tyler) say that Welbeck has had a tremendous season when he hasn't, he had a good game vs everton and a good game before that was vs city in the FA cup, other than that nothing...they get to excited to easily. Then they go calling Heranandez as being in a second season syndrome..Let me put it this way...he had a concussion at the begining of the season..then chelsea almost broke his leg, then he had some ankle ligament tear at villa....yet he has still manage to score 12 goals this season. To me Rooney did not have an excellent game..he was frustated all night..he looked like hernandez looks when he doesn't get much support...This game is one of those games that who ever made a mistake will lose..and thats what happened..The best teams lose too...look at Madrid and Barcelona...they are out of the champions...and no one expected that..

Wayne Wall:

We need to get rid of several players and spend money on quality replacements. Park is DONE - forget the rubbish about he wasn't match fit, he hasn't been playing because the last time he was in the team (when he was match fit) he was completely ineffective and was showing a total lack of energy, like he did last night. The guy is done. Giggs - his arrogance is keeping him in the squad when for the good of the club he supposedly loves he should be quitting. Carrick, Rooney and Ferdinand were the only good players last night, although I do agree that it never seems to be Rio's fault when a header goes in from a corner, it was always someone else's man! Sorry Rio but maybe you should be marking the most dangerous attackers, you have the experience and size to cope, don't blame a kid like Chris Smalling who hasn't played in ages and doesn't have your experience. Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Anderson, Fletcher...loads of these guys need to go and we need players like Bale, Hazard, Gaitan, Kagawa, sorry but it's true. Silva, Aguero and Nasri were making fun of us last night and that's because they're top, top players. And were they cheap? NO. But you get what you pay for in life. We need to turf out the dross and bring in a couple of players of real quality. This is Manchester United and we shouldn't be going anywhere looking for a 0-0, this club's history is to attack with confidence. Fergie picked that team out of fear, because he knows we don't have the players to compete with City. Rooney was great again last night but he cannot do it on his own. Rant over.

Hazard bale kagawa, don't you blokes get sick of posting your little wish lists every day, whatever the result you would've found a reason to slip those names in, stick to Xbox mate

Akeem Adeola:

Right on Point Popefigo..... You hit the nail by the head. You can't compete with the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern and others with the likes of Cleverly, Smalling and co. The Boss should ultimately take the blame. His team this season has been the worst in recent time. Me thinks it is better he leave now than to be humiliated.

Blah blah blah... Me thinks you should leave for greener pastures little boy.

a quote i heard from a fan at the game yesterday. 'all the creativity in our side is stacked out wide and against the best of teams, its unpridictable' need more be said

We need to get rid of several players and spend money on quality replacements. Park is DONE - forget the rubbish about he wasn't match fit, he hasn't been playing because the last time he was in the team (when he was match fit) he was completely ineffective and was showing a total lack of energy, like he did last night. The guy is done. Giggs - his arrogance is keeping him in the squad when for the good of the club he supposedly loves he should be quitting. Carrick, Rooney and Ferdinand were the only good players last night, although I do agree that it never seems to be Rio's fault when a header goes in from a corner, it was always someone else's man! Sorry Rio but maybe you should be marking the most dangerous attackers, you have the experience and size to cope, don't blame a kid like Chris Smalling who hasn't played in ages and doesn't have your experience. Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Anderson, Fletcher...loads of these guys need to go and we need players like Bale, Hazard, Gaitan, Kagawa, sorry but it's true. Silva, Aguero and Nasri were making fun of us last night and that's because they're top, top players. And were they cheap? NO. But you get what you pay for in life. We need to turf out the dross and bring in a couple of players of real quality. This is Manchester United and we shouldn't be going anywhere looking for a 0-0, this club's history is to attack with confidence. Fergie picked that team out of fear, because he knows we don't have the players to compete with City. Rooney was great again last night but he cannot do it on his own. Rant over.

What is wrong with you people FGS we all love United no matter what but it is obvious we are in desperate need of signings, for how long now have we needed a CM! We CANNOT rely on giggs and scholes no longer they are not the future of Man Utd ,we need a new LB, we have needed a solid RB who nails down that position since 08 when wes played there we probably need 2 CM also and possibly a striker. I know we have rooney welbeck and hernandez, but if we sell berbatov surely we need someone else.

I don't think the problem is average players. I think it's the age old question of rotating the team - does it work, can good players look average when they only have 17 minutes of football since Christmas. Rooney is a great football player, but anyone watching him since Christmas would note how often he gives the ball away and how bad his performances are - does this make him average. He makes up for it on the score-sheet, because that's his job. This United team have entertained us throughout the season with great attacking football, but have been receiving flak because we concede goals. Hence we play defensive and look out of sorts. Can't have the best of both worlds. Remember when we beat Arsenal 8 - 2, we could have conceded more or the 5 - 0 win over Tottenham. Throw caution to the wind the best way to defend is attack.

89cruefan2:

Not suprised with these views from a certain area of supposed fans.

Average players? Ok then if these are average players then surely teams in the Championship would KILL for these "average" players

I will agree in a sense we havent got a proper tackler or ball winner, Carrick does his best at times but he isnt a great tackler.

One mistake by Smalling doesnt make him average. These are young players and they HAVE to make mistakes and learn from them to DEVELOP... its all part of improving...

The worst in recent time? Typical gloryhunter arent you? We have one of the BEST points total we have had in YEARS, We have scored more goals at this stage then we have for a long time, even after the loss we have the best away form in the league so its not all bad.... we went through a 5 odd week period where we had 12-15 players out of our 25 man squad injured and we still managed to get results and claw back at the top...

Dont know about Real or Bayern as we havent faced them recently. But surely we cannot be too far behind Barca IF 6th place Chelsea can beat them and get a draw considering we battered Chelsea at home and came back from 3-0 down to draw 3-3 away.

Yes our form in the European comps have been poor and mistakes have been made defensively due to an ever changing back 4 in the CL, injuries and just general mistakes. We had no problems scoring, we just defensively seemed to become complacent.

Yes Fergie should take the blame but to call for him to leave is just obscene and well unthinkable.

dont bother crue, your logic is lost on these "supporters" and i use that term very loosely. were only coming second on goal difference with these players that are, apparently, "average". so let them complain, i long for the day when these fans *** off and support united for what it is.

Cr4iger:

Well I for one watch other matches than the United ones.... And I can easily come to a conclusion that both Real and Bayern have much better players and are playing better than us..... And yes we haven't played them, but we don't have to, to be able to see this....

And about the Chelsea vs Barca thing.... Like someone said, is Wigan a great force in PL ? they beat us, so they should be right ? And you can't really say that Chelsea was the better team in that match.... They did win fair, but they used a very strange tactic, and they got two goals out of luck really... Good goals, but still.... Like 95% of the match was around Chelsea`s penalty-box....

There are too many people on this forum that gets angry when people criticize something about our team, and then call them Glory-hunters.... Well if you don't criticize and see the obvious, then you're not a good fan...

I watch a lot of other matches too and I see your point to some extent, but seeing their players and how they perform is one thing, but saying thats enough conclusive evidence to say they are better then us in a way is another thing and a very difficult one to call.

Look how poor Chelsea have been this season and they somehow managed the impossible which was to out-tactic Barca, Had Chelsea been hammered then I dont think it would have changed anything, but seeing how Barca had no plan B and just watching them this season in general, it seems there are weak spots which can be picked and prodded at within their team, which inaway leads them to being a lot more vunerable and not as invincible as people believe.

Well Wigan is a weird one again, in the past 8 games they have 5 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss... That isnt relegation, that if anything is top 6 style form. Scalps against not just us but other big teams and a 4-0 hammering of Newcastle. I think its fair to say Wigan are a lot better then they actually give themselves credit for, then they actually play.

Northing wrong with constructive criticisim at all. That is a good way to start a debate... which most the time is lacking on this forum

89cruefan2:

weareno1:

i dont agree with your analogy on the bayern, real and barca chelsea thing. what your saying is like because wigan beat us they are close behind us in terms of quality

Well the analogy with Real and Bayern is difficult as we havent played them in the past 2 years so how do we know how we will fare against them and with that how can we decide we are behind them?

Barca is a weird one, when it comes to a one-off game then I would say they are easily ahead... But I have always stood by my opinion that in a two leg tie we could beat them, well Chelsea have done it, I believe we could do it to them over 2 legs... but not in 1 leg... Not yet anyway.

Well I for one watch other matches than the United ones.... And I can easily come to a conclusion that both Real and Bayern have much better players and are playing better than us..... And yes we haven't played them, but we don't have to, to be able to see this....

And about the Chelsea vs Barca thing.... Like someone said, is Wigan a great force in PL ? they beat us, so they should be right ? And you can't really say that Chelsea was the better team in that match.... They did win fair, but they used a very strange tactic, and they got two goals out of luck really... Good goals, but still.... Like 95% of the match was around Chelsea`s penalty-box....

There are too many people on this forum that gets angry when people criticize something about our team, and then call them Glory-hunters.... Well if you don't criticize and see the obvious, then you're not a good fan...

Worst team ? i assume you became a fan when Ronaldo was doing step overs