silvester88:

I would love to see this line up De Gea Clyne Vidic Jones Evra/Baines Carrick Kagawa Valencia Hazard Young Rooney Subs Lindegaard Hernandez Smalling Nani Cleverley Anderson Scholes That line up is class.

No doubt a lot of talent in that team, but worryingly still only one actual midfield player (Carrick) the others aren't. they are all attackers, which has been our problem for a while, if we played any team with 3 midfielders in it and they pressed us we would probably end up being blown out of the water. which is just what has happened to us before.

The engine room of a successful top european side is midfield with actual midfield players in it not converted attackers, IMO.

1..de gea defence 2..valencia we've all seen he can play right back 3.. baines 4..jones 5..vidic midfield 6..carrick holding infront of back 4 7..kagawa floating midfielder attack 8.. nani 9..welbeck 10..rooney 11.. hazard these 4 would interchange as the game flowed.... carrick would hold allowing all infront of him to play with pace thsi would also help defensively if the other team tried too break away

I would love to see this line up De Gea Clyne Vidic Jones Evra/Baines Carrick Kagawa Valencia Hazard Young Rooney Subs Lindegaard Hernandez Smalling Nani Cleverley Anderson Scholes That line up is class.

Kagawa started on the left of a 4231 in his recent game for Japan. Hazard tonight is playing in the middle of 4231 .. so i can see the two of them rotating comfortably between these two positions even during a game.. by the numbers of our squad I can see Nani being in danger of being left out, wouldn't rule out him being sold because he would pull nice transfer fee and clear out some of the wage bill, if Hazard + Kagawa came in.

United_Faithful:

Seeing as Hazard has now said he wants to play in his preferred position as the classic number 10 behind a front man, that would mean he'll be signed as a striker not a winger I guess, which also means Kagawa will be signed as a winger if we sign him, or perhaps we're signing players capable of interchanging in a match to confuse opposition defences. Either way, if we did sign both looking at the number of attacking players we already have (Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Valencia, Young, Park + Giggs who often plays behind Rooney) then surely we'll be waving good bye to more than just Berbatov / Owen. Then for those saying we still need another holding midfield signing, I would agree if we didn't already have Scholes, Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Fletcher and Giggs competing for 2 places in the starting 11. Now I know that SAF has said Scholes will not make as many appearances next season and Anderson is likely to be injured as is Fletcher, but if we sign someone expecting that to happen and it doesn't then we'll be pretty screwed. Tabloids have reported that we'd be willing to listen to offers for Anderson and you'd have to think we'd consider any offer over £12 million for him. If Fletcher has another set back and Anderson left then I think we would bring in an extra midfielder, but if they don't then I'm not overly optimistic about seeing one signed. As for the formation, I'd go with: De Gea Rafael Ferdinand - Vidic Evra (maybe Baines) Carrick - Anderson Valencia / Nani Hazard Kagawa / Young Rooney

At the moment he is playing CAM for Belgium and has scored a penalty 2-1 to Belgium.

Seeing as Hazard has now said he wants to play in his preferred position as the classic number 10 behind a front man, that would mean he'll be signed as a striker not a winger I guess, which also means Kagawa will be signed as a winger if we sign him, or perhaps we're signing players capable of interchanging in a match to confuse opposition defences. Either way, if we did sign both looking at the number of attacking players we already have (Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Valencia, Young, Park + Giggs who often plays behind Rooney) then surely we'll be waving good bye to more than just Berbatov / Owen. Then for those saying we still need another holding midfield signing, I would agree if we didn't already have Scholes, Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Fletcher and Giggs competing for 2 places in the starting 11. Now I know that SAF has said Scholes will not make as many appearances next season and Anderson is likely to be injured as is Fletcher, but if we sign someone expecting that to happen and it doesn't then we'll be pretty screwed. Tabloids have reported that we'd be willing to listen to offers for Anderson and you'd have to think we'd consider any offer over £12 million for him. If Fletcher has another set back and Anderson left then I think we would bring in an extra midfielder, but if they don't then I'm not overly optimistic about seeing one signed. As for the formation, I'd go with: De Gea Rafael Ferdinand - Vidic Evra (maybe Baines) Carrick - Anderson Valencia / Nani Hazard Kagawa / Young Rooney

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Wanch:

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shlongconnery:

Fluid front 4, a no striker formation, this would definitely work, Rooney would not be a lone striker as all 4 players would swap and change...

This lad knows what he's talking about. No one it that front four would take a set position, it's all about interchanging. Add to the fact that we will most likely have in excess of 60 games next season and we need a big, talented squad with top competition.

Another thing, for people talking about the likes of Young, Nani, Welbeck and Chicharito, you do remember at one time we had Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Nani, Tevez, Giggs, Park vying for positions, now, potentially we would have Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck, Hazard, Young, Valencia and Kagawa. I'm not adding Giggs or Park because let's be honest here, they'll probably only start about 12-15 games next season, probably a few more for Giggs.

Couldn't agree more. Would be nice to see a fluid attacking line again. Similar to that which destroyed spurs in the second half a few seasons ago when we were 2-0 down at halftime.

Just needs two new centre mids and it's all good to go.

But hang on, ..... isn't that what we were missing in the first place?

xSTONEYx187x:

shlongconnery:

Fluid front 4, a no striker formation, this would definitely work, Rooney would not be a lone striker as all 4 players would swap and change...

This lad knows what he's talking about. No one it that front four would take a set position, it's all about interchanging. Add to the fact that we will most likely have in excess of 60 games next season and we need a big, talented squad with top competition.

Another thing, for people talking about the likes of Young, Nani, Welbeck and Chicharito, you do remember at one time we had Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Nani, Tevez, Giggs, Park vying for positions, now, potentially we would have Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck, Hazard, Young, Valencia and Kagawa. I'm not adding Giggs or Park because let's be honest here, they'll probably only start about 12-15 games next season, probably a few more for Giggs.

Couldn't agree more. Would be nice to see a fluid attacking line again. Similar to that which destroyed spurs in the second half a few seasons ago when we were 2-0 down at halftime.

It feels like I say this everyday but..

If we bought both Hazard and Kagawa we would need to sell one of our attacking players as there is not enough games to go around.

Next people tend to say something like "Oh but Real Madrid/City/Barcelona" have lots of attacking players at which point I break down the players these teams have and compare them to ours (+Hazard and Kagwa) showing that the ones we have would be much better and therefor expect more games.

Or

They will say "We need two top players fr each position." at which point I will mathematically break down the games in a season and show why there isn't enough to have that many good players.

After I do these things people tend to stop responding and then go post the same idea I was disagreeing with somewhere else.

You can do these things yourself if you want as I do them far to often, but whatever you do the moral of the story is;

Yes we can have two good players in each position but this must include squad players who are happen to play under 30 games a season and just play a supporting role to the top players.

..................................................De Gea Jones................................Ferdinand........Vidic.................Evra Valencia............Carrick...........Kagawa.......................Young ...............................Hazzard ..........................................Rooney Or ...............................................De Gea Jones.............................Ferdinand............Vidic...............Evra .................Nani....................Carrick..............Scholes ................................................Hazard ....................................Rooney.............Welbeck

volcom:

es we miss out on rooney creating from deep.

Simple. Rooney is a striker, the only reason he's played deeper is because we've lacked creativity from our ageing and decaying centremidfield. He may get £200,000/wk, but he's still just a player, and players play where theyre told regardless of what they're favourite position is. He's our best striker, we're buying CAM's to play the number 10 roles, he can play as a striker.

I'm not having a go at you, OP, but im fed up with people saying "oh Rooney's no good when played as a striker, he's better in behind a striker." Rubbish, when played centrally he played as a CF until he was 23 or 24. He's our best finisher and this "Rooney only in the No.10 position" stuff is totally impeding because it forces us to play 4-4-2, which is a dying formation. We'll get ripped apart every big game we play against the big boys in Europe.

Rooney as a lone striker, regardless of how frustrated he gets or how much he wants to drop back. Kagawa played as a LAM, Hazard as a CAM, Nani as a RAM. Carrick and Cleverley/Scholes/Fletcher holding the midifield.

The only problem here is Rooney. Hell, the guy played CM this season, im sure he can play in other positions than CAM.

Id choose a 4231 formation :

=================De Gea ======================

Rafael======Smalling/Jones======Vidic/Evans====Evra

==========Cleverley=======Carrick=================

======hazard=====rooney======kagawa===========

===============welbeck========================

this formation with a fluid front 4 that keeps interchanging their position. therefore on another day, rooney could be in Welbecks place, kagawa in the middle, and either young or nani on the side with hazard. Hence no need to buy new strikers, even if berba goes. the players there would have to play close to each other, not like we played this season. This would benefit quick passing for kagawa, welbeck, rooney and clevs. fullbacks to provide the width. We would also have to change the way we defend. carrick would act as the shield in front of the defence, cleverley as a box to box and we will have to defend high up on the pitch. i.e when loosing the ball, instead of dropping deep, pressure the opponent to get the ball a la barca. one important thing is that valencia and chicharito wouldnt fit this formation, theyd be used as plan B when we revert to a 4411/442 when we cant score.

Or a 4-3-3 formation =================De Gea ======================

Rafael======Smalling/Jones======Vidic/Evans====Evra

======================Carrick=================

===========cleverley===========kagawa===========

=======hazard=========rooney===========welbeck============

Using the same tactics. The only thing i hope is that, if kagawa is coming, hazard would just be a bonus, and i hope he'll play the CAM/LAM role. and i could see him combining well with cleverley, welbeck and rooney. He reminds me of iniesta in his way of always looking around him when he doesnt have the ball to know where his team mates are and always seek for the pass and move. hazard for me would just be a bonus, but that would mean nani and young having less time to play, and if we use a fluid formation, valencia would have even less time.

All the front 3 moving and swapping positions so the defenders dont know who they are dealing with and get torn apart. Jones CDM and more of a box to box with Carrick holding. Jones for me is too small to be a CB, look at when he played height he was torn apart (Newcastle,Benfica,Basel) Somebody else to play right back but i dont think we could afford a new RB aswell as 3 other big players. Alaba and Alba been class all year, young up and down the pitch players. Like young Evras really