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  • 6 Aug 2012 8:18 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Unitedadmirer:
    Rezyuz:
    madhouse:
    Except Ribery, dimaria and Robben none of the other players you mention are wingers. May be you need to watch some more football as your footballing knowledge is not evolving and it remains. Valencia would be a dream for any team looking for a direct winger who can provide accurate crosses. Dribbling is not the only sign of a good player. Valencia beats players with his pace and strength.

    Please don't ever compare a selfish player like Robben, who just runs and shoots wide, with a awesome team player like Valencia.

    Your a deluded fool you know that? Valencia beats players with pace and strength? He doesnt beat anyone he runs to the flag, thats not beating the defender as you do not move inwards at the goal creating a situation where a center back has to help defend creating space for the striker or upmoving cam. Its you who had no football knowledge clearly. Ronaldo, messi, sanchez , hazard all of them are wingers, they simply have a more free role. But ronaldo, hazard and sanchez normally always play as a winger with the exception of hazard's last 2 months. "valencia would be a dream for any team for a direct winger" thats the point. Who the *** outside some english clubs who are still left in this 2000 mentality would want someone who isnt versatile and cant score while playing in offense? And also the mentioned wingers above all have terrific pace and crossing. Haha they even have better assist stats. And your right i sholdnt compare valencia to robben, that would be pure disrespect to robben, with his "shoot wide and just run" playstyle. Atleast thats one more thing than valencia, he shoots.
    Comparing Valencia to Robben is like comparing Guardiola (who said Valencia is the best RW) to you. Don´t you agree?
    And where is this interview you speak off? Cuz im sure guardiola was laughing his ass off seein fergue make the same mistake twice in the cl final by not playing his best players for average non creative attackers.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 6:21 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    What? No he is one of the best RW in the country and you want to make him right back, for crying out loud he is wearing our number 7, tell how many number 7's have been right back in the club huh? None, and certainly not Valencia, maybe you can make an rm in a 4-3-3 situation but not an rb.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 6:13 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Walters_14_MuFc:
    With the addition of Kagawa, one would assume that SAF could be swaying towards playing a 4-2-3-1 for the majority of next season.

    Now, a 4-2-3-1 doesn't really consists of out and out wingers, i.e. Valencia, it consists of attacking midfielders with the capability of cutting in and influencing the game from the middle, i.e David Silva. Due to Valencia's inability to use his left foot, I don't think this formation would suit him if he was to play right midfield.

    In a 4-2-3-1, most of the time, the width comes from the full backs who constantly get forward and deliver crosses. This is why I feel Valencia would be best suited as a right back.

    In my opinion, Valencia has all the attributes to become a great right back. He's got great stamina, box to box, strong, fast, decent at defending and we all know how good his crossing is.

    The formation would look like this:

    Use this11.com for drawing your football tactics

    Subs: Lindegaard - Evans - Rafael - Cleverley - Young - Welbeck - Hernandez

    As you can see, the two full backs, Evra and Valencia give us the width while Nani and ? cut in from the flank and link up with Kagawa and Rooney.

    In the right attacking midfield(RAM) postion I have put a question mark. Personally, I would like to see a left footed play occupying that spot. Someone who can cut in and either shoot or play through balls over the top to Rooney or whoevers playing upfront. Maybe J.Rodriguez, Dembele, Gaitan or even try Anderson there?

    I've also put a question mark in the midfield area next to Carrick. In my opinion, i'd like to see an all rounded box-to-box midfielder that can also play Carrick's role if he was to get injured. Maybe Strootman, Martinez, M'Villa?

    What do you think guys?

    that could work
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  • 6 Aug 2012 5:50 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    It takes a really impressive amount of stupidity to follow a team that doesn't play the type of football you want. Well done Reyzuz.
    At the end of training Sir Matt required the players to practice the things they were bad at for the last half hour
    Duncan Edwards went home
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  • 6 Aug 2012 5:33 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Rezyuz:
    madhouse:
    Except Ribery, dimaria and Robben none of the other players you mention are wingers. May be you need to watch some more football as your footballing knowledge is not evolving and it remains. Valencia would be a dream for any team looking for a direct winger who can provide accurate crosses. Dribbling is not the only sign of a good player. Valencia beats players with his pace and strength.

    Please don't ever compare a selfish player like Robben, who just runs and shoots wide, with a awesome team player like Valencia.

    Your a deluded fool you know that? Valencia beats players with pace and strength? He doesnt beat anyone he runs to the flag, thats not beating the defender as you do not move inwards at the goal creating a situation where a center back has to help defend creating space for the striker or upmoving cam. Its you who had no football knowledge clearly. Ronaldo, messi, sanchez , hazard all of them are wingers, they simply have a more free role. But ronaldo, hazard and sanchez normally always play as a winger with the exception of hazard's last 2 months. "valencia would be a dream for any team for a direct winger" thats the point. Who the *** outside some english clubs who are still left in this 2000 mentality would want someone who isnt versatile and cant score while playing in offense? And also the mentioned wingers above all have terrific pace and crossing. Haha they even have better assist stats. And your right i sholdnt compare valencia to robben, that would be pure disrespect to robben, with his "shoot wide and just run" playstyle. Atleast thats one more thing than valencia, he shoots.
    Comparing Valencia to Robben is like comparing Guardiola (who said Valencia is the best RW) to you. Don´t you agree?
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  • 6 Aug 2012 5:29 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    I wouldn't mind seeing him there, he's an option there, my worry is left-back, but seeing Keane and knowing Blackett is around and even Giggs and Evans as emergency, don't get me wrong, I think a left-back would be useful, I'm thinking Neil Taylor myself, he played right-back in Olympics so he can play there, so might be a good shout, if we get Lucas Moura, can't help but think Valencia may have to move to right-back to get games occassionally, he will still have the right-wing, but just for rotation and other things, might not be the worst idea in the world.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 5:10 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    madhouse:
    Except Ribery, dimaria and Robben none of the other players you mention are wingers. May be you need to watch some more football as your footballing knowledge is not evolving and it remains. Valencia would be a dream for any team looking for a direct winger who can provide accurate crosses. Dribbling is not the only sign of a good player. Valencia beats players with his pace and strength.

    Please don't ever compare a selfish player like Robben, who just runs and shoots wide, with a awesome team player like Valencia.

    Your a deluded fool you know that? Valencia beats players with pace and strength? He doesnt beat anyone he runs to the flag, thats not beating the defender as you do not move inwards at the goal creating a situation where a center back has to help defend creating space for the striker or upmoving cam. Its you who had no football knowledge clearly. Ronaldo, messi, sanchez , hazard all of them are wingers, they simply have a more free role. But ronaldo, hazard and sanchez normally always play as a winger with the exception of hazard's last 2 months. "valencia would be a dream for any team for a direct winger" thats the point. Who the *** outside some english clubs who are still left in this 2000 mentality would want someone who isnt versatile and cant score while playing in offense? And also the mentioned wingers above all have terrific pace and crossing. Haha they even have better assist stats. And your right i sholdnt compare valencia to robben, that would be pure disrespect to robben, with his "shoot wide and just run" playstyle. Atleast thats one more thing than valencia, he shoots.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 5:03 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Michael Ballard.:
    Right. Lets convert or most effective, consistent winger into a right back. Makes perfect sense. Smh
    With the system we play, yes, it does make perfect sense. Look at the game yesterday, although Valencia was right back, he more or less played like a winger.
    LOVE YOU SIR ALEX!!
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  • 6 Aug 2012 4:58 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Right. Lets convert or most effective, consistent winger into a right back. Makes perfect sense. Smh
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  • 6 Aug 2012 4:47 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    rafael is our right back.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 4:44 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Except Ribery, dimaria and Robben none of the other players you mention are wingers. May be you need to watch some more football as your footballing knowledge is not evolving and it remains. Valencia would be a dream for any team looking for a direct winger who can provide accurate crosses. Dribbling is not the only sign of a good player. Valencia beats players with his pace and strength.

    Please don't ever compare a selfish player like Robben, who just runs and shoots wide, with a awesome team player like Valencia.

    My greatest challenge is not whats happening at the moment my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their *** perch
    And you can print that


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  • 6 Aug 2012 4:35 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Sir Kones:
    Rezyuz:
    no beating your defender is an art, and its a must for a winger at the top. And he does not posses this. Waste of an attacking spot.
    You need to watch every United match before you start making conclusions like that....and if you do watch every United match, then I have absolutely no explanation as to how you would reach such an inaccurate conclusion. He beats his defender quite regularly and more often than a lot of other people in the team.
    I watch every single game, and i watch every other ame i can from madrid, barca, bayern, dortmund, ajax, simply because im a fan of football beside being a united fan. You only. Look with huge red tinted glasses. Would valencia make i t to any other big team? No, why? Because hes nothing compared to the likes of top wingers. Ribery, robben, messi, ronaldo, di maria, sanchez, hazard, nani etc they all beat there defender, score double the numbers of valencia. And dont go much lower or even more on assist. Valencia cannot participate in modern football as he simply lacks skill. Hes a good runner and crosser but this isnt 1990 its 2012. Weve seen how brilliant physique players are compared to technique for years now huh england? And still, still your so ignorant to remain believing that strength, pace, crossing is what its about. The entire world is laughing at that ideal yet you see it still as the holy grail. No wonder why every other league is catching up to the epl and starting to dominate in the champions league. They evolve, england remains.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 3:29 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    honestly, the more i think about it, the more i realise that the cdm position position last season only looked vulnerable because of vidic' absence. hes a natural stopper and tends to help the cdm way more than people realise while evans, jones and smalling are all covering defenders. carrick and cleverley would be my combo, a combination of carricks anticipatiion,possesion keeping and positioning with cleverleys forward movement, spread of play, off the ball ability and determination. both have great technical ability and wouldnt need to create since the 4 up front attackers can be our creaitve route with clev helping out. i can see fergie making valencia a wing back and thereby allowing evra to not be resposnsibe for attacks coming from the wingback positioin but rather concentrate on defending ala abidal.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 3:17 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    Rezyuz:
    no beating your defender is an art, and its a must for a winger at the top. And he does not posses this. Waste of an attacking spot.
    You need to watch every United match before you start making conclusions like that....and if you do watch every United match, then I have absolutely no explanation as to how you would reach such an inaccurate conclusion. He beats his defender quite regularly and more often than a lot of other people in the team.
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  • 6 Aug 2012 3:11 PM

    Re: Make Valencia a permanent Right Back!

    edozmw:
    Valencia at right back? No way, we have Rafael to grow into that position and make it big there. Valencia is not even good defending besides we get more out of him as a right wing midfielder.
    I wouldn't say Valencia is any worse than Rafael at defending.
    LOVE YOU SIR ALEX!!
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