hodgson just isnt the right guy for a big club or the national side. his style of game fits small clubs. like you said milner just the wrong person for a winger. gerard was sitting to far back to be effective. biggest mistake is fa`s for hiring hodgson and not harry who has far more exprience and knows how to motivate players. harry was the best english candidate. rooney cant win a game all by himself, he didnt seem at all his best, but still rooney at 70 % is better than anyone else england has. and carrol knows only to head, his passing is poor , his work rate against italy was horrible. england should have done better or at least gone out with style. they should have gone to the game to win not draw, when italy has the better keeper too. like usuall it comes down to fa for not being able to hire the right manager and a medicor england team who needs the right man to get the best out of them.

stretford77:

Simon H:

stretford77:

No one should be blamed, this is a work in progress bringing a new team together, in terms of our quality we are behind the likes of Germany, Spain, Portugal etc. There were many problems with the tactics, formation possibly etc but if you can't keep possession or break up play then you are bound to fail at international level we took some of the wrong players and others weren't available but there were some glimpses and in terms of team spirit etc then there was improvement from Capello.

We have a great influx of youth coming through and come the World Cup we'll see a new England hopefully.

I think Hodgson can be blamesd. Why persevere with Milner who is nothing but a work horse. No creativity, no pace. His substitutes were too early, meaning our last sibstitution was a necessity bringing on Henderson who was never going to create anything. Ashley Young had a poor game and I would have brought Walcott and Chamberlain on for Milner and Young and Phil Jones on for Parker. I personally don't think the "number 10 role" suits Wayne, he is not disciplined enough to hold his position. As an out and out striker he is lethal and Hodgson missed a trick there.

Well I agree to extent, I don't think we chose the right squad or implemented the right formation and that would be mainly down to Hodgson but had other players been fit etc then it could have been different. Milner was poor but he provided the cover Glen Johnson, Young was our best player in qualifying but had a poor tournament but he does give you the set pieces, pace etc and the fact that the midfielders cannot keep possession doesn't help.

Don't agree about Rooney, he always drops deep as he likes to be involved and there was some beautiful link up play between Rooney and Welbeck but again that didn't happen often enough as the midfielders cannot keep possession but he wasn't quite fit in which he only has himself to blame in getting himself the ban. The formation again could be down to Hodgson but he worked with what he had, Parker does a job but he breaks up play and moves the ball on thats all he does at Spurs, Gerrard to me looks out of place in CM he wants to get forward not be patient.

Hi Stretford77. That is my point about Rooney. He drops deep, he drops to a left back position and it unbalances the team but also drains his energy. I agree there was some good link up play but if Rooney isn't up there he can't link the play. If he had stuck to his role and position, Pirlo would not have had so much time on the ball. I love Rooney, he is a quality player but just don't think that is the role for him. I agree with better midfield selection we could have held the ball better and that is possibly down to formation I hope Roy sorts it out and I have faith he will, because there was some good signs.

Simon H:

stretford77:

No one should be blamed, this is a work in progress bringing a new team together, in terms of our quality we are behind the likes of Germany, Spain, Portugal etc. There were many problems with the tactics, formation possibly etc but if you can't keep possession or break up play then you are bound to fail at international level we took some of the wrong players and others weren't available but there were some glimpses and in terms of team spirit etc then there was improvement from Capello.

We have a great influx of youth coming through and come the World Cup we'll see a new England hopefully.

I think Hodgson can be blamesd. Why persevere with Milner who is nothing but a work horse. No creativity, no pace. His substitutes were too early, meaning our last sibstitution was a necessity bringing on Henderson who was never going to create anything. Ashley Young had a poor game and I would have brought Walcott and Chamberlain on for Milner and Young and Phil Jones on for Parker. I personally don't think the "number 10 role" suits Wayne, he is not disciplined enough to hold his position. As an out and out striker he is lethal and Hodgson missed a trick there.

Well I agree to extent, I don't think we chose the right squad or implemented the right formation and that would be mainly down to Hodgson but had other players been fit etc then it could have been different. Milner was poor but he provided the cover Glen Johnson, Young was our best player in qualifying but had a poor tournament but he does give you the set pieces, pace etc and the fact that the midfielders cannot keep possession doesn't help.

Don't agree about Rooney, he always drops deep as he likes to be involved and there was some beautiful link up play between Rooney and Welbeck but again that didn't happen often enough as the midfielders cannot keep possession but he wasn't quite fit in which he only has himself to blame in getting himself the ban. The formation again could be down to Hodgson but he worked with what he had, Parker does a job but he breaks up play and moves the ball on thats all he does at Spurs, Gerrard to me looks out of place in CM he wants to get forward not be patient.

stretford77:

No one should be blamed, this is a work in progress bringing a new team together, in terms of our quality we are behind the likes of Germany, Spain, Portugal etc. There were many problems with the tactics, formation possibly etc but if you can't keep possession or break up play then you are bound to fail at international level we took some of the wrong players and others weren't available but there were some glimpses and in terms of team spirit etc then there was improvement from Capello.

We have a great influx of youth coming through and come the World Cup we'll see a new England hopefully.

I think Hodgson can be blamesd. Why persevere with Milner who is nothing but a work horse. No creativity, no pace. His substitutes were too early, meaning our last sibstitution was a necessity bringing on Henderson who was never going to create anything. Ashley Young had a poor game and I would have brought Walcott and Chamberlain on for Milner and Young and Phil Jones on for Parker. I personally don't think the "number 10 role" suits Wayne, he is not disciplined enough to hold his position. As an out and out striker he is lethal and Hodgson missed a trick there.

England need build a new team around the youth players.Players like Jones,Ox,Smalling,Wilshere,Cleverley,Rooney,Welbeck should all form the new England.Build that team up to WC14

No one should be blamed, this is a work in progress bringing a new team together, in terms of our quality we are behind the likes of Germany, Spain, Portugal etc. There were many problems with the tactics, formation possibly etc but if you can't keep possession or break up play then you are bound to fail at international level we took some of the wrong players and others weren't available but there were some glimpses and in terms of team spirit etc then there was improvement from Capello.

We have a great influx of youth coming through and come the World Cup we'll see a new England hopefully.

The minute Hodgson only took 3 recognised Midfielders to a European competition and those 3 were not deployed together was the minute it failed.

Deploying a 4-4-2 in an international competition has never and will never work, it's an old dead system and just shouldn't be deployed ever again in international competitions.

The way I would have tackled it? I'd have deployed Jones and Parker as the anchor and one of their jobs was to mark Pirlo and then have Gerrard playing behind Rooney, Welbeck coming in from the left and had Walcott on the right or Chamberlain.

The fact we went out not to lose instead of going out to win is Englands biggest problem, Keegan had it right just not deployed properly, play fast attacking football and boss the midfield the way all our players do, week in, week out at PL level.

No one is to blame, not even Hodgson, he worked with what he had, blame the press for building us up after a very poor group phase where we were lucky to get out of it, let alone top it, we definitely didn't deserve it.

redmancr:

He was off in the two games heplayed, but no you can't blame him for us failing to pass. As you said we played awful defensive football, the midfield sat too deep and too far from the strikers, we had no mobility in the center nor any attacking threat from the right. There are a lot of reasons, but the strikers can not be blamed when the side has no possession.

And no subs capable of changing the game.

He was off in the two games heplayed, but no you can't blame him for us failing to pass. As you said we played awful defensive football, the midfield sat too deep and too far from the strikers, we had no mobility in the center nor any attacking threat from the right. There are a lot of reasons, but the strikers can not be blamed when the side has no possession.

Agreed, bummer is without seeing this thread I posted one similar, luckily its about a Vega specific thread.

I have read a few posts here and elsewhere about England failed to progress because Wayne was offcolour, because he wasnt at his best....and so on so on....Let us not forget that he scored the goal against Ukraine, he deserves credit for that. I am not a fan of England, but that aside, they played terribly defensive soccer against Italy. They hardly wanted to keep posession, were always on the backfoot, and Rooney being a striker wasnt getting service from midfield. Or is Rooney supposed toplay midfield and striking against an Italian side with Pirlo and Buffon on the goalmouth?.......cut him some slack all those people who always want to blame wazza for everything gone kaputt!! Hodgson should own up to playing such defensive soccer, and tell all other players to bulk up their ideas...even Messi couldnt have shone on such kind of football...