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imagination:

redmancr:

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

Kagawa 17m, Smalling 10m, Chicharito 6m, Nani 22m, Ronaldo 12m, VDS 2m, Vidic 7m, Evra 5m, Valencia 16m. You're right mate, we don't know any bargains.

Your proving my point, why would fergy say theres no value in the market when there clearly really is, im not suggesting we pay over the odd's for players i question the ability our scouts have to recognize a talent , barca seem to just snap up the "next big thing" every 5 seconds so why cant we

Who has Barca snapped up. Fabregas, Pique and Villa were heartset on going to Barca so not much chance of them going anywhere else. As to any young signings Barca have made how does anyone know they will be the next big thing? Young players with potential sound familiar?

fergo93:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/06/28/3206154/hazard-nasri-sneijder-now-modric-manchester-united-fail-again-in-?source=breakingnews

It basically sums up how we tried to sign Benzema and failed to. Tried to sign David Villa and failed to. Tried to sign Sneijder and failed to. Tried to sign Nasri and failed to. Tried to sign Hazard and failed to. Trying to sign Modric and probably will fail to as well. List is getting alarmingly bigger...

Im not having a ***, im just stating the contents. It raises a few issues. But imagine the team we'd had if we'd actually signed our Plan A targets. Wow. Now I'm not saying these were Fergie's or United's fault.. in fact Im pretty sure WE backed out of the Sneijder and Nasri deals and we agreed a fee for Hazard. But what I'm getting at is how they didn't chose us when given the choice. Depsite our set-up, history, recent winning form... seems strange that players dont want to move here, doesn't it (semi-sarcastic).

Glad we've got Kagawa... he looks a great little value signing and should produce next season. But I can't understand the Modric situation. We seem to be unwilling to pay 30m for him with Fergie complaining about value, despite how we bought De Gea (a 20 year old keeper) for 18m, Berbatov for 31m, Carrick for 20m, Ando for Ando, Rooney for 30m (could have been a flop), Ferdinand for 30m (could have been a flop) and Veron for 30m (was a flop).

Fair enough Modric might not want to come here and that's fair enough. I just hope its not because we're unwilling to pay a 30m transfer fee for a tried-and-tested EPL performer who'd fight right into our team and give us 6-7 years of top level action.

Who do you think the manager should be that could keep that lot happy?

imagination:

redmancr:

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

Kagawa 17m, Smalling 10m, Chicharito 6m, Nani 22m, Ronaldo 12m, VDS 2m, Vidic 7m, Evra 5m, Valencia 16m. You're right mate, we don't know any bargains.

Your proving my point, why would fergy say theres no value in the market when there clearly really is, im not suggesting we pay over the odd's for players i question the ability our scouts have to recognize a talent , barca seem to just snap up the "next big thing" every 5 seconds so why cant we

redmancr:

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

Kagawa 17m, Smalling 10m, Chicharito 6m, Nani 22m, Ronaldo 12m, VDS 2m, Vidic 7m, Evra 5m, Valencia 16m. You're right mate, we don't know any bargains.

me23:

We will never get worldclass players if we dont keep up with the market.

redmancr:

fergo93:

redmancr:

fergo93:

You can act as smarmy and "in-the-right" as you like. Everything i've said has made sense and is true in the context of our transfer market. youre argument is defeatist and non-logical. With an attitude like yours, the human race wouldnt have invented a toaster

By all means, anything else you'd like to teach me about being smart, I mean anymore of 'youre' arguments? Cheers, kid, I'm always up for a bit of irony.

No worries, champ ;) I'm always up to hear your positive and realistic views on the world. I bet it's getting you soooo far in the real world. Am I right? Maybe one day you'll actually post what you want, instead of just posting what you don't want? Want a cookie?

Oh was my subtle hint not clear enough for you. Should I tell you to learn the difference between you're and your before attempting to sound smart. Friendly advice.

BTW, you failed to put a question mark at the end of that sentence there, mate. "Friendlier" advice.

;)

We will never get worldclass players if we dont keep up with the market.We will fall behind,we already are behind other top clubs and that will continue.

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

Also apparently Valencia turned down a 25 million pound bid from us 2 years before City bought Silva. We maybe did go in for these players but for whatever reason they chose to go somewhere else.

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

imagination:

The problem is not that we don't sign is that we take too long to see the potential in players, Hazard should have been signed back when he tore up liverpoool in europa but no, Ozil could have been signed after his second major season at werder but no, than theres the whole debate of no value in the market: Sahin (10million), Alba (12million), Silva (24 million), DI maria (20 million) the list is endless

fergo93:

redmancr:

I see. I'm not going to bother reading, so help me out here. Did the article state how in the last 3 seasons we also tried to sign Kagawa, Jones,cYoung and Valencia who were being chased by other top clubs, and managed to sign them? We are willing to pay what we believe the player is worth, it's as simple as that. We offered 32m for Hazard, who can still be a flop. Every signing can flop, that doesn't mean that we'd start throwing whatever the other clubs think we should. We followed De Gea for more than a season and agreed to pay his release clause because good goalies are rare and this one can one day be the best in the world, Rooney was one of the brightest young talents, Rio was the best center back in the league and so on.

Yeah but Modric is one the closest players to Scholes I've seen. Although his stats don't show it, he's a phenominal deep-lying playmaker. His movement is brilliant and his defensive work is underrated. He'd fit straight it and wouldn't flop. He's played in the EPL since 2008, and has been a standout. It's not like we're unsure whether he can't handle the pace or physicality of the league.

If the same applies for buying Rooney, Veron and Rio for big money, why not with Modric (who is far more experienced, established and guaranteed to deliver than any of them).

Cleverbeck.:

You do realise how much of a rainy dump the UK is compared to Spain?

Also we didn't sign Ando for Ando.

Villa wanted to stay in Spain and Benzema wanted to move to his dream club... Cant force players to come.

Nasri wanted money, Sneijder wanted money - Why destroy our wage structures for overated players?

Silva is the one player I can say we did really miss out on.

Ozil and Sahin wanted sunny Spain and not gloomy England (Not our faults either really.

RONALDO #7:

Did you even read the article? It basically said that United are falling behind due to the debt of the Glazers. It said that in most cases it was due to financial reasons that we didn't sign our Number 1 targets. True, in a few cases the players didn't want to come here (Benzema and Villa) but the main thing is our financial constraints due to the f*cking Glazers. Fergie was hoping for more money but the IPO failed so we can't buy anybody. Fergie did want to make big purchases it is just that the Glazers are ruining our club. We can't pay high wages or big fees and that's why a lot of players are not joining UTD. It has been proven time and time again that the teams who pay the highest wages often win the most (Barca, Madrid, and now City and Chelsea) not necessarily the teams who pay the most in transfer fees (Liverpool). The only way we can move forward is getting rid of the Glazers, because youth isn't cutting it (Pogba and Morrison). Now stop believing Fergie when he says "no value in tranfer market" we are for all intents and purposes skint. Do you think SAF doesn't want to buy big? The purchases of Ferdinand, Stam, Rooney, Veron, and Berbatov suggest otherwise. Fergie is no mug he knows we need players but what can he do if we have no money to spend?

So its all the Glazers fault is it?

So the Glazers are the reason we are keeping to our wage structure? why pay £250K a week for Sneijder who has been useless for almost 13 months, why pay £175K a week for the merc Nasri? BTW giving in to these wages denands will lead to problems within the squad and disharmony.. ie current players will want even more money which then will cause problems if we want to sell them and it will also cause problems in terms of United as a business.

How does paying the highest wages make any difference? Look at Malaga... hell look at PSG they were beaten to the title last season by a team who looked like relegation candidates the season before. Hell City's wage bill is 115% of their income and yet in 5 years they have won 1 league title on goal difference and 1 fa cup. Real who pay stupid fees and wages spent 7-8 seasons failing to even get past the last 16 in the CL.

How will getting rid of the Glazers change anything in the transfer market? It wouldnt of changed the fact that Villa, Benzema etc didnt want to come.