redblood75:This thread should really be binned. What's the point of dragging all this up now other than to create division and resentment just when we are all beginning to feel "happy" again...?
djb95: ronan99: united1985:pathetic fans once again
yeah you are pathetic.
Mate, their are no pathetic fans, at the end of the day we all love United. Just today was a shocking performance, I think we can all agree on that.
ronan99: united1985:pathetic fans once again
yeah you are pathetic.
united1985:pathetic fans once again
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Warren1984:The people that want Moyes out would have sacked Fergie in his early days so thank god they do not make the decisions.
moyesforpresident:Content to be approved by the moderator
Mr.NiceGuy:Proffesional trolls being hired it seems. Moyes to stay.
Ranchero:We are managed by a manager who is not a winner. His record says that.
Tell you what, do you think Fergie would have won a trophy at Everton in the last 11 years given the budget they had compared to the budget of United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc? No he wouldnt, not a chance.
He may have won a cup competition but anyone can win a knockout competition as lots of luck is needed to win one. Are we saying Wigan are a better team than City or did Wigan have the luck needed to win the trophy last season? Where are Wigan this season?
Alex McLeish won the League Cup with Birmingham, that makes him a winner doesnt it? How would you feel if we had appointed Alex McLeish.?
Have a look at where Moyes finished with Everton during his 11 years and look at what he had to spend and compare it to what he was up against. OK so he hasnt won a trophy but the fact he's been voted LMA Manager of the year 3 times tells me his fellow managers recognised and appreciated the job he did at Everton. He actually managed to break into the top four and managed to finish 5th twice, despite not having a pot to p1s.s in.
For the record Jupp Heynckes hadnt won a trophy before he went to Bayern Munich for the first time. He wasnt a winner. Klopp hadnt won a jot at Mainz 05 before he went to Dortmund, he actually got relegated and resigned because he couldnt get Mainz back up. He wasnt a winner either. Has Moyes ever been relegated? No.
This theory of Moyes not being a winner is garbage, he did a great job at Everton and given time here will turn things around.
Its so easy to blame Moyes for the way we are playing at the moment isn't it ?. What a lot of you are are doing is missing the point.
For the past few years we've all been on here stating how obvious it was that our team was showing signs of age and starting to decline. We all spent the last few years saying we need to sort out our midfield. We were all on this forum saying we need Sneijder, or James Rodriguez or Lucas Moura or Gareth Bale or Ronaldo etc....etc...etc but what happened under SAF.....................NOTHING.
We managed a few Trophies because the rest of the premier league was so poor, but that has all changed now as a lot of premier league teams are getting stronger because of the money they get from tv and sponsorship or even foreign owners with money to burn. ,
Moyes wasn't even here the last few years and unfortunately for him he has inherited a first team squad that is well past its sell by date in terms of what is needed in this league now.
Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, RVP,Rooney, Giggs and Carrick are all in the twilight of their careers and are probably in their last decent contracts.
Moyes biggest problem was that he and Woodward didn't act deciseively in the last transfer window,
For all of you who want him sacked now I ask who do you honestly think would take on this job mid season and in the position we are currently in. Any top class manager will know they are not going to get any world class talent in January because the decent players will still be playing for teams who are in the Champions league or in strong positions in their own leagues.
I would love to sign Koke and Costa, Garay or Mangala etc in January but I am also realistic and know that its not going to happen.
Our priority at the moment is to concentrate on getting back into the top four so that when summer comes we still have champions league to offer any new players.
Moyes's summer dealings will determine whether he will be successful at MUFC or not and if we are still in a similar position this time next year then that will be the time to look for a new manager for the start of the 2015-16 season. its not like we haven't gone other seasons without winning anything is it ? even under SAF control.
and before any of you so called fans get on here saying we will be too far behind by then...........GET REAL, WE ARE MUFC AND NO ONE WILL BE TOO FAR AHEAD OF US.
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